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How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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> when ambiguous, assume intent is malicious, ignorant, or amoral.

If you're in a toxic environment, this is what it's like. It's a culture problem, not an individual problem.

Here are some examples, going to get anecdotal here:

- People stealing credit for my work

- Needing to kick them off of projects I'm on to protect myself

- Getting into political standoffs with people trying to pressure and threaten me into arrangements that fuck me over

- Had people I work with turn on me all of a sudden and try to throw me under the bus

- A manager forcing someone to work with shitty consultants (who were, of course, a personal connection), then using it to throw them under the bus

- People trying to gatekeep higher ROI work for favorites

- Management lying to people and misrepresenting opportunities to get them to join, then rug pulling once they've signed on the dotted line

The "antisocial" behaviors in the post are just the sort of rational emotional detachment which happens when you figure out that you're dealing with shitty people.

Maybe I'll get genuinely antisocial here: a lot of people in general are shitty people. Or at least, if you've attracted shitty people into your life in the past, it'll keep happening in the future and you're better off growing the emotional scar tissue (i.e. "avoidant attachment") instead of this victim blaming. There's something about you that makes them target you and you're better off having the artillery ready

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

#342

Yeah that is triggering reading the list. I know it is satire or whatever. But people with one of those traits you need to evict from your circle or minimize contact with.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I think you might need to re-read this list

Reread. Opinion is the same. Is this a meta comment?

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

#344

> when ambiguous, assume intent is malicious, ignorant, or amoral. If you're in a toxic environment, this is what it's like . It's a culture problem, not an individual problem. Here are some examples, going to get anecdotal here: - People stealing credit for my work - Needing to kick them off of projects I'm on to protect myself - Getting into political standoffs with people trying to pressure and threaten me into ar…

> If you're in a toxic environment, this is what it's like.

I think you nailed it. People's behaviors are always adaptive to their environment.

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you assume my experience is so different? There are tons of people on forums like these who've dealt with extreme shyness and severe problems, yet managed to persevere. Your struggles might not be nearly as unique as you think.

I am assuming this because you are projecting all over me and not distinguishing between me and the people I was making the point about. I was pretty clear in my comment that I do not struggle with shyness. Some people experience debilitating levels of shyness, and some people have done the work necessary to understand the perspective of those people, but in my experience they do not communicate like you do.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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> dig in your heels when confronted with overwhelming dissent Of course, the majority is always right and we should yield to it right away /s

One heuristic for spotting when you might be wrong is that you hold a very uncommon belief. It COULD be that you are correct and the world is crazy, but its far more likely that you are the one who is missing something. It's always worth stopping to double check when this happens. Perhaps more importantly, if you do happen to be right when everyone else is wrong its important to determine your goals. Is it more impor…

Ever heard of tribalism and echo chambers? Wrongness being a function of number of dissidents is a terrible heuristic, in contrast to determining the lies and falsehood based on the soundness of the argument or logic.

Also, when a population group is large enough (e.g. entire world), it's quite likely a crazily-held belief is shared by other people, or people who would at least nod in agreement.

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just searched Twitter for “cis” and found endless results, including a forgotten tweet of my own from 2+ years ago that’s never been taken down and I haven’t been banned for! :) Nobody is getting banned for that, that’s just another Bluesky-ism!

So this never happened? https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/14/on-elons-whim-x-now-treats... The policy was enacted less than 2 years ago, which is why your previous tweets didn't get affected, and it seems new Twitter owner might have since walked it back. Seems it also only affected mobile app users. > In November, X ran a “timeline takeover” ad promoting an anti-trans film from PragerU, a conservative media nonprofit t…

Your only reference is a reversed policy from 2+ years ago that displayed a message but never stopped you from posting at all, and it only ever affected mobile users??

Also, promoting a specific documentary from a production company doesn’t mean they agree with all the other things PragerU says. Even if they did, it literally doesn’t matter, because X isn’t actively restricting alternate opinions the way Bluesky does. I know, because I see awful takes on X nearly everyday! ;)

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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I am guessing the author is either criticizing people who are anti-social (in the pop culture definition) or believes he was before and after some thinking arrived at the conclusion that antisociety was not the way. But I don't feel it describes my internal motivations, so I've translated them to my behaviors: - if someone is confusing or upsetting you, assume it is your fault - interpret others' actions in the conte…

> - if you must ask questions, convince yourself you must not, just figure it out instead God, this one hurts. In the first couple months at my new role (which I intentionally chose to be one that would stretch and challenge me as I'm looking for some professional growth), a senior member of my team expressed the view that he'd rather someone spend three days researching than ask him a thirty-second question. When I…

I’m pretty confident the narrative in his mind is as follows:

1. All the learning that has stuck with me was painful

2. All my most painful learning was done without help

3. Therefore, painless assistance won’t drive learning

And tbh that isn’t exactly wrong.

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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QC?

Children of the Light, though haven't read QC yet. But from what I've heard, it sounded like it could qualify as well, yeah.

Cute! I like this.

For what it's worth, though, the people I know to need emotional literacy the most, would probably find the art style extremely off-putting. I don't agree with them, but it's an interesting correlation to ponder.

Could it be that people who react strongly aversively to such warm fuzziness identify it precisely with the things that have been done to their minds during development so that they would become incapable of certain fundamental cognitions?

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

#350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What they are saying is true. It just might take a lot of work to get the ball moving.

I can agree with you while still agreeing with parent poster that it's basically "git gud"-tier bullying. Very very few orators can successfully pull off "just fix your problems bro" as anything beyond a generic kick in the pants for the people presently predispositioned to be motivated by one.

I agree it can feel frustrating and inactionable but it's not bullying, it's a thoughtful well-meaning response. Actually if it makes you feel bad it's a signal it may be worth contemplating more.
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