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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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I already assume that on a work computer everything I'm doing could be monitored by work IT. At every job I've had, I've made a point of not using work hardware for anything I even remotely thought someone at the job might object to. Instead I use my own hardware for that kind of thing - I own a smartphone, I own multiple computers, this is not hard to do. When I worked at a startup that had some internal conflict be…

> Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Not really from the perspective of my own risk/reward calculation. I don't know in advance what's going to be considered an "incident" that will make corporate IT suddenly want to search my work computer. Better to simply have a policy of never using a computer my work controls for personal data, especially when I already have my own computers for that that I use regardless of what job I happen to be working at.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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> let's do this for politicians as well :), publicly available, auditable 24-hour surveillance Politicians will be the first to carve out exceptions for themselves for reasons of "security" while everyone else is surveilled. Yes, it should literally be the opposite -- with power should come accountability. But that's not how these things work in practice.

> Politicians will be the first to carve out exceptions for themselves for reasons of "security" while everyone else is surveilled. Well good thing we can just not vote for anyone and/or remove anyone who tries to take this stance. It's not like they are appointed by God.

How do you remove them?

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people. My irony detector is sparking so badly I think it's about to blow.

As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm. Failed start ups are selling all their emails, chats, commits, etc for companies to train on. Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness, or your personal network I think most people assume that's for photo ops, but ... Yea. I expect more and more of this. products and product features r…

You never really owned what you typed or said at work in to their laptops, into their accounts using their software.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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I am to speculate that they are going to use this as an excuse to let people go without doing mass layoffs and having to pay severance. Training AI is just an excuse.

Many many moons ago I refused to implement a calendar event scraping system at Meta where it would look at all of your meetings on the calendar and do "analysis". IDK what ever happened to that task, I assume it died a death of no one else being willing to do it. This was probably 2011 or so, I can only imagine it has gotten so much worse.

It's pretty easy to scrape your own calendar events in Meta. I'm not sure about others' as I'm not a manager, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were visible as long as someone is in your report chain.

(I work at Meta)

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Microsoft was also doing the same in their VIVA program.

Please tell me more. I'm looking at the VIVA and I really don't get why would anybody contribute to the "internal linkedin" and other features. Where did it come from? Where does it go?

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Do you have proof or at least some evidence?

.... I'm not the person you're asking but I can give curious anecdata on a home purchase.... When I bought my home, I had a purchase agreement that said 'I will pay up to 1500$ cash if the property assesses for less than X' (X being the amount I told the realtor I was willing to pay.) And the property happened to assess EXACTLY for X. Collusion in markets is nothing new, and even when we regulate people find ways aro…

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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post #343

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As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm. Failed start ups are selling all their emails, chats, commits, etc for companies to train on. Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness, or your personal network I think most people assume that's for photo ops, but ... Yea. I expect more and more of this. products and product features r…

You never really owned what you typed or said at work in to their laptops, into their accounts using their software.

Only because you live in a rigged economic system.
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