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Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

#341
You can configure the status line to get a feel for token usage:

[Opus 4.6] 3% context | last: 5.2k in / 1.1k out

add this to .claude/settings.json

"statusLine": { "type": "command", "command": "jq -r '\"[\\(.model.display_name)] \\(.context_window.used_percentage // 0)% context | last: \\(((.context_window.current_usage.input_tokens // 0) / 1000 * 10 | floor / 10))k in / \\(((.context_window.current_usage.output_tokens // 0) / 1000 * 10 | floor / 10))k out\"'" }

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

#342
post #292

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Another aspect I haven’t seen discussed too much is that if your competitor is 10x more productive with AI, and to stay relevant you also use AI and become 10x more productive. Does the business actually grow enough to justify the extra expense? Or are you pretty much in the same state as you were without AI, but you are both paying an AI tax to stay relevant?

Where's the evidence of competitors being 10x more productive? So far, everyone is simply bragging about how much code they have shipped last week, but that has zero relevance when it comes to productivity

Read it as just a given rate. The number doesn’t matter too much here, if company B does believe claims from company A they are N times more productive that’s enough to force B to adopt the same tooling.

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

#343
post #46

We dropped Claude. It's pretty clear this is a race to the bottom, and we don't want a hard dependency on another multi-billion dollar company just to write software We'll be keeping an eye on open models (of which we already make good use of). I think that's the way forward. Actually it would be great if everybody would put more focus on open models, perhaps we can come up with something like the "linux/postgres/git…

Another aspect I haven’t seen discussed too much is that if your competitor is 10x more productive with AI, and to stay relevant you also use AI and become 10x more productive. Does the business actually grow enough to justify the extra expense? Or are you pretty much in the same state as you were without AI, but you are both paying an AI tax to stay relevant?

> your competitor is 10x more productive with AI

This doesn't happen. Literally zero evidence of this.

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

#344
post #295
post #177

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I completely see your point, but when my / developer time is worth what it is compared to the cost of a frontier model subscription, I'm wary of choosing anything but the best model I can. I would love to be able to say I have X technique for compensating for the model shortfall, but my experience so far has been that bigger, later models out perform older, smaller ones. I genuinely hope this changes through. I under…

> I completely see your point, but when my / developer time is worth what it is compared to the cost of a frontier model subscription, I'm wary of choosing anything but the best model I can. Don't you understand that by choosing the best model we can, we are, collectively, step by step devaluating what our time is worth? Do you really think we all can keep our fancy paychecks while keep using AI?

Do you think if you or me stopped using AI that everyone else will too? We're still what we always were - problem solvers who have gained the ability to learn and understand systems better that the general population, communicate clearly (to humans and now AIs). Unfortunately our knowledge of language APIs and syntax has diminished in value, but we have so many more skills that will be just as valuable as ever. As the amount of software grows, so will the need for people who know how to manage the complexity that comes with it.

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

#345
post #68

For now, I'm planning to stick with Opus 4.5 as a driver in VSCode Copilot. My workflow is to give the agent pretty fine-grained instructions, and I'm always fighting agents that insist on doing too much. Opus 4.5 is the best out of all agents I've tried at following the guidance to do only-what-is-needed-and-no-more. Opus 4.6 takes longer, overthinks things and changes too much; the high-powered GPTs are similarly f…

> 4.7 is going to replace both 4.5 and 4.6

as in 4.5 is no longer going to be avail? F.

ive also been sticking with 4.5 that sucks

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

#346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that the major part of the cost of a given model is the training - so open models depend on the training that was done for frontier models? I'm finding hard to imagine (e.g.) RLHF being fundable through a free software type arrangement.

No, the training between proprietary and open models is completely different. The speculation that open models might be "distilled" from proprietary ones is just that, speculation, and a large portion of it is outright nonsense. It's physically possible to train on chat logs from another model but that's not "distilling" anything, and it's not even eliciting any real fraction of the other model's overall knowledge.

I don't know what to make of it, I am skeptical of OpenAI/Anthropic claims about distillation, but I did notice DeepSeek started sounding a lot like Claude recently.

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

#347
post #46

We dropped Claude. It's pretty clear this is a race to the bottom, and we don't want a hard dependency on another multi-billion dollar company just to write software We'll be keeping an eye on open models (of which we already make good use of). I think that's the way forward. Actually it would be great if everybody would put more focus on open models, perhaps we can come up with something like the "linux/postgres/git…

This is part of the reason why I'm really worried that this is all going to result in a greater economic collapse than I think people are realizing. I think companies that are shelling out the money for these enterprise accounts could honestly just buy some H100 GPUs and host the models themselves on premises. Github CoPilot enterprise charges $40 per user per month (this can vary depending on your plan of course), b…

Most companies don't want to host it themselves. They want someone to do it for them, and they are happy to pay for it. If it makes their lives easier and does not add complexity, then it has a lot of value.

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

#348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another aspect I haven’t seen discussed too much is that if your competitor is 10x more productive with AI, and to stay relevant you also use AI and become 10x more productive. Does the business actually grow enough to justify the extra expense? Or are you pretty much in the same state as you were without AI, but you are both paying an AI tax to stay relevant?

> your competitor is 10x more productive with AI This doesn't happen. Literally zero evidence of this.

The actual rate isn’t relevant for the discussion

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

#349
post #16

is it really unthinkable that another oss/local model will be released by deepseek, alibaba, or even meta that once again give these companies a run for their money

For my working style (fine-grained instructions to the agent), Opus 4.5 is basically ideal. Opus 4.6 and 4.7 seem optimized for more long-running tasks with less back and forth between human and agent; but for me Opus 4.6 was a regression, and it seems like Opus 4.7 will be another. This gives me hope that even if future versions of Opus continue to target long-running tasks and get more and more expensive while bein…

Have you tried GLM 5.1?

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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>we don't want a hard dependency on another multi-billion dollar company just to write software One of two main reasons why I'm wary of LLMs. The other is fear of skill atrophy. These two problems compound. Skill atrophy is less bad if the replacement for the previous skill does not depend on a potentially less-than-friendly party.

I was worried about skill atrophy. I recently started a new job, and from day 1 I've been using Claude. 90+% of the code I've written has been with Claude. One of the earlier tickets I was given was to update the documentation for one of our pipelines. I used Claude entirely, starting with having it generate a very long and thorough document, then opening up new contexts and getting it to fact check until it stopped…

What do you mean “cut out anything that was granular/one query away”? This was a very cool workflow to hear about—I will be applying it myself
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