The government really needs to step in, it's surprising that the PSOE and Sumar have allowed private companies to block so much of the internet.
Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#342They block the whole of Cloudflare R2, I believe the Docker hub is just (heh) a collateral. When the La Liga match starts, everything that's proxied via CF (including zero access reverse tunnels) stops working. There's even a website made for checking if the match is on: https://hayahora.futbol/ You can check if your host is affected: https://hayahora.futbol/#comprobador&domain=docker-images-pr...
Who exactly is blocking and on what legal base? If it's Spanish ISPs and they are massively over blocking, why are there no legal actions against them? (E.g. for not fulfilling their contracts)
ISP are blocking, because of a district judge's ruling.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#343Spain is a failing country. Their economy is in shambles and the government has ceded internet control to a private corporation who runs football games.
Are you spanish and never went to another country? I only heard such things from never-stop complaining locals that never traveled anywhere. Yeah La Liga is a religion here, but Spain is one of the worlds top of life quality mate
The salaries and unemployment are pretty awful though. As are the working conditions in many jobs (jornada partida, paying less than legally required into social security etc.)
I think most people care more about these things than the GDP statistics tbh.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#344I had to Google why this happens, blocking cloudflare during football games seems.. Arbitrary, to say the least. Maybe something to do with hooligans trashing entire cities when their team loses? I could almost get behind that, if I thought it would work.. But no, it's apparently to stop piracy!? Turning off half the internet, and mostly the legitimate parts at that (since when do pirates use cloudflare?) seems like…
Pirates use cloudflare because it solves their biggest problem, DOS attacks. Rights owners figured out that they can shut down these sites by DDOSing them which bypasses the courts and can be done instantly, so the pirates put their sites behind cloudflare ddos protection.
According to the court, the real reason is because ECH would make it impossible to block through DPI.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#345Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found". Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that…
Who cares if she can’t find her elderly father? A small price to pay to preserve the stratospheric prices on football TV rights!!!!
The thing is it doesn't protect anything. All it does is funnel money to VPN providers
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
The companies relying on cloudflare won't be in Spain. If you buy a GPS tracker by a Canadian company, developed in India, manufactured in China, they are unlikely to know, even it they cared, that a single country that accounts for a tiny percentage of their sales breaks fundamental internet infrastructure on the regular "because fútbol y dinero". And when purchasing a product, there's no "bill of materials" telling…
>fundamental internet infrastructure I'm not saying this situation isn't bullshit, but the bigger problem is that CloudFlare is now "fundamental internet infrastructure". This is precisely the situation that the internet was designed to prevent. Yesterday I got stuck in endless CloudFlare CAPTCHA's, trying to access theretroweb.com. I had to give up. Many such cases. I hate CloudFlare so much, it's unreal.
I’d happily use anything else, but it (with CF Tunnels and its DDoS and caching systems) is what lets me self host on my little home server on today’s internet. Would gladly move to some other system (or systems)
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's ridiculous and wrong what LaLiga does. But it's also a weakeup call to consider ditching cloudflare's centralization.
Cloudflare has nothing to do with it. Actually you should further insist on using Cloudflare in Spain to increase the collateral cost of this ridiculous government decision as much as possible. Make it so not a single website works during football, and see if the government changes their tune.
If cloudflare is providing services to illegal websites, they very much are in full control of the situation. They knowingly choose to keep hosting that content, and have legal customers exposed to that risk.
You may like that the platform is open by default to everybody, but that's the obvious consequence.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#348I wasn't able to pull some images and I lost 1h trying to diagnose network problems in my setup, but it didn't occur to me that "la liga" was the root cause . My workaround was to add "registry-mirrors": ["https://mirror.gcr.io"] in my /etc/docker/daemon.json
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#349The Internet was originally designed to survive a nuclear war. Now we downgraded it deliberately to not survive a football game.
Decentralised infrastructure: good
Centralised infrastructure: bad
Good and bad for you, of course. For the big companies selling and controlling this stuff, it's vice versa.
Just stay alert and don't chain yourself with big tech dependencies. The reason Git is great is its decentralised nature. If you got so far, why cripple yourself by running your traffic through a single American company like Cloudflare?
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#350Just wait until a bank moves their 2FA to CF...
Netblock do not work and will never work.