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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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It's a re-instatement of a cold war era law that was suspended in 2011.

The point is not when the law originated, but that it's being reinstated.

Okay sure, but I didnt say otherwise. I was just correcting someone who said something untrue.

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All nation states are like that. They monopolise power and violence, and will defend that monopoly by sacrificing their citizens' lives if another state tries to infringe upon it. I think it's clear that the interests of citizens and their state typically do not align. Unfortunately, most states have cultivated and propagated a different idea for decades, which is why so many people have a different perception of the…

No idea why you single out nation states, all states are similar.

States before nationalism generally used mercenaries to fight their wars. No soldier was dumb enough to think they were protecting their family.

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How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

Feminism survives because it never was about equality, it was about making women the privileged class.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” - Universal Declaration of Human Rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/...

Ukraine has been violating that for young men since the start of its war.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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You can't have a country that doesn't have conscription in time of war. For example if Russia were to attack which is unlikely but plausible. I don't like conscription at all and it's necessary but still an evil.

Some countries don’t see sex as a criteria for conscription: good job Norway, Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_and_sexism

There's a very cold-blooded but good reason why a nation rationally should use men as cannon fodder before women: they are more expendable in terms of reproduction. You need fewer men relative to women. Also, societies with more men than women tend to be unstable and high-crime and whatnot. Societies with more women than men survive a bit better.

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Starting 2026, Ukraine at least has restrictions on women leaving the country as well. Women in the civil service, law enforcement agencies, or those registered in the military and serving under contract may face restrictions on traveling abroad, particularly for non-official purposes.

You mean "some women in specific situations", not women in general. 2 weeks ago my cousin's wife and her 2 daughters got in an out for my aunt's funeral, in Ukraine. She is 50 years old, former teacher, no restrictions, the daughters are in the early 20, no restrictions either.

Yes, you’re right. I could have been more specific

I thought it was obvious with the second paragraph

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Busification, when?

If you ever wonder what is the role of professional army in case of any serious invasion or war. Their role is to hunt for conscripts, kidnap them, and transport them to the army recruitment centers.

It is very true. Look at the Ukraine war for a current example.

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If you ever wonder what is the role of professional army in case of any serious invasion or war. Their role is to hunt for conscripts, kidnap them, and transport them to the army recruitment centers.

I don't know where you are getting this, but this is very much not the role of professional armies in most invasions historically Usually when your country is invaded you don't stay in your silicon valley privileged mindset and you go to conscription willingly

Millions of people enjoy great lives today because at least one of their ancestors were smart enough to not go to the meat grinder. While millions of young men became genetic dead ends dead in a ditch for no reason at all. Even their names forgotten forever.

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And what about a government which sends sons? Your point makes absolutely no sense, especially in relation to feminism. Equal rights and equal duties.

Yes, but in 12 month, 1 man and 20 women can produce the 20 kids. It's not the case with 1 woman and 20 men.

There is a birth crisis. Modern, liberal women are not actually reproducing, they are not keeping their end of the evolutionary bargain (men protecting, sacrificing and dying, while women giving birth). Therefore, there is no need to maintain the old-fashioned, patriarchal system with women as a more protected group. Everyone should contribute equally, pull their own weight. Equal rights, equal lefts (responsibilities).

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Why does it exclude women? War is not just physical strength, but also logistics, operating vehicles, operating drones, nursing, and so on. All tasks that women are well capable of.

Starting 2026, Ukraine at least has restrictions on women leaving the country as well. Women in the civil service, law enforcement agencies, or those registered in the military and serving under contract may face restrictions on traveling abroad, particularly for non-official purposes.

Right, a lot of the draft law being male-only reflects a combination of the reality that, relatively speaking, not much war has been waged since the end of WW2, and that much of contemporary gender equality is still somewhat new on a historical basis. So they're really just out of date laws with not much of an impetus to update, at least until recently. The worldwide trend is pretty clearly in the direction of making service and conscription, where needed, more gender agnostic. There are still some realities that don't really change here, such as men being most useful for direct combat, so even if women are conscripted it's likely they'll still avoid much of the worst of warfare simply by virtue of not qualifying for stringent standards.
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