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GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by squibonpig »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #291
tovej wrote: post #225

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Maybe resources shouldn't be distributed purely using a free market that can easily be manipulated, especially if the top dogs are allowed to use manipulative advertising and sales tactics.

> Maybe resources shouldn't be distributed purely using a free market that can easily be manipulated Which kind of resource allocation do you suggest? At least one can clearly tell that existing experiments with planned economies went really bad, so how do you want to overcome the problems that plagued existing big-scale experiments of planned economies?

Not arguing for planned economies exactly but we now have computers on a different level. Amazon, walmart, etc. are all incredibly massive logistics systems that function a lot like planned economies. These are only possible with modern tech.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

jacquesm wrote: post #228
arnvald wrote: post #215

I’ll never understand why they ruined GitHub. They had everything they needed - the one place in the world where 99% of open source projects were hosted, where all the discussions happened. A product that people were so used to that it was a no brainer when it came to hosting private repos. And they had to ruin it and give space to GitLab and other competitors. What a waste…

Because it's Microsoft. Categorically incapable of respecting their users. What's interesting to me is how many people went like 'Oh, Satya really gets open source, this time it will be different'. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225599

When Microsoft announced it was acquiring Github I submitted a comment about backing up repositiories locally. This idea got downvoted pretty quick

Did people honestly believe Microsoft is cool. I'm not so sure. The company has access to a large amount of surveillance data about computer users, it understands what it can and cannot get away with and actively manages its online reputation through whatever means necessary

Time will show the wiser

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by hagbard_c »

jacquesm wrote: post #248
hagbard_c wrote: post #231

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This type of behaviour seems to be endemic within Microsoft. They're like the scorpion in the Russian tale of the scorpion and the frog, seemingly a retelling of the Persian tale of the scorpion and the tortoise: A long time ago, a scorpion came to the edge of a great river. Not being a good swimmer, it asked a nearby frog if it might get a ride across. The frog eyed the scorpion warily. “I’ve heard of your kind. I s…

You have cause and effect confused. They buy the property because of the goodwill, they can't get it any other way, they know they will destroy it but goodwill doesn't necessarily show up on the balance sheet, whereas the result of burning that goodwill will show up on the balance sheet.

Well, no, in what way would I have this confused? I state they always manage to lose goodwill because it is in their nature to do things which alienate customers. I'm not saying anything about the why of it, just that they always do so.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by bvanheu »

DonHopkins wrote: post #42
Animats wrote: post #3

Microsoft will probably try to sneak it back in later. They've done that with other intrusions. Migrating away from Github just increased in priority.

Instead of polluting PRs, Copilot will insert comments and logging and text fields and buttons with links to web sites with helpful product tips into your code and user interfaces.

why would they need Copilot to insert ads on GitHub?

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Post by paulhebert »

thiht wrote: post #331
hoherd wrote: post #325

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I think maybe we're not living in the same world. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46131406 "Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47487584 "GitHub appears to be struggling with measly three nines availability" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45037365 "The GitHub website is slow on Safari" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44799861 "Wh…

So some people say it feels slower, there's been some incidents recently, you're missing a few features and Zig moved out, that's it? Wow, ruined, completely unusable, I have no idea how I've been working 8 hours a day using Github in these conditions.

Ruined may be a strong word but it is much less usable than it was previously. Frequent outages, lots of weird bugs.

It no longer feels like a polished product.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by monooso »

philipov wrote: post #292
giancarlostoro wrote: post #284

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You can be a capitalist without ruining your product.

Capitalism means ownership by investors, and it is the investors who ruin your product.

I believe capitalism is defined by private ownership (not necessarily by investors) of the means of production.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

thiht wrote: post #322
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #277

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> It is first now with Codeberg there is a credible alternative. There is no credible alternative, because 3rd party hosting of the canonical repo is a bad idea to start with. By all means use 3rd party hosting for a more public-facing interaction, but its about time that developers understand that they need to host their own canonical repos.

We understand, and say no thanks. The benefits don’t outweigh the costs

The benefits now don't outweigh the costs. No doubt, totally agree.

The benefits down the road, when your chosen 3rd party host has been enshittified up the wazoo ... they far outweigh the costs.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by stonogo »

sega_sai wrote: post #267
jacquesm wrote: post #228

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Because it's Microsoft. Categorically incapable of respecting their users. What's interesting to me is how many people went like 'Oh, Satya really gets open source, this time it will be different'. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225599

I am not sure it is that. The job of Microsoft is to satisfy shareholders. That is the only target. They only care about users to the extend that helps the shareholders.

Which shareholders are being satisified by the stock dropping seven percent in a month?
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