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Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by Yizahi »

munksbeer wrote: post #328
DeathArrow wrote: post #298

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>Why has your approach not been toward passing active legislation that protects these rights going forward? Maybe because the Commission holds the true power and the commissioners aren't directly elected by the people so you don't have any leverage against the commissioners. You can't just say "behave nicely or we won't support you at the next elections".

That's not true. The commission do the bidding of the Council or other elected national ministers. Re-posting my comment: --- They're just like the civil service in the UK, or any other country. They do the bidding of our nationally elected governments. Nearly all proposals coming from the commission originate from the national governments. So a law: Starts with member states directly elected ministers pushing and ag…

It is true though. He said "directly elected by the people" and they are obviously not. If we are being honest, the system where privileged few select other privileged few among themselves is called oligarchy.

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Post by andrepd »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #303
verisimi wrote: post #273

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Oh, if unelected officials is the standard, that's fine then. Move along.

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No, but I vote for the Prime Minister. I don't vote for the European Commissioner or the President of the Council.

What's idiotic is presenting these are the same.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by Yizahi »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #327
largbae wrote: post #215

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This one is EU I think, but yes UK and everyone else needs to actually protect their citizens' rights.

> This one is EU I think... You misspelled Palantir.

Tolkien had a lot of other catchy names which are yet unused. EU can create it's own Angband or Ungoliant spying corporation :) .

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by mfru »

The EU is a horribly intransparent and dubiously democratic institution.

As a normal citizen you have no real possibility to hold MEPs accountable other then writing an angry E-Mail.

In an actually democratic system politicians would be in their position only by mercy of the people and can be voted down from their position anytime if enough people petition for it. (and not just maybe be called back when elections at home plummet)

Politicians should be afraid of the people and not the other way round.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by andrepd »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #199
x775 wrote: post #66

I am the creator of Fight Chat Control. Thank you for sharing. It is unfortunately, once again, needed. The recent events have been rather dumbfounding. On March 11, the Parliament surprisingly voted to replace blanket mass surveillance with targeted monitoring of suspects following judicial involvement [0]. As Council refused to compromise, the trilogue negotiations were set to fail, thus allowing the Commission's c…

I am always curious when I see these kinds of movement. It seems abundantly clear that the options on any vote in any legislature for a proposed bill are always “yes” and “ask me later”. So when I see things like Fight Chat Control, it feels like the call is “we must tell our legislators to press the ask later button!” Why? Why has your approach not been toward passing active legislation that protects these rights go…

The European """Parliament""" can only reject laws, but not propose new ones.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by bregma »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #268
GCUMstlyHarmls wrote: post #237

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Is it? Stopping is a matter of ground swell support contacting representatives and saying "please don't". Enough people do it to enough receptive reps and they'll vote no. Passing new ones that "you like" requires lawyers to write laws, get those laws in front of reps, get them to agree to try and pass it, stake some of their reputation on pushing it, get the ground swell to support it -- which might be difficult whe…

Stopping legislation means organizing a sufficient number of no votes. Passing it means organizing a sufficient number of yes votes. They are the same process and they require exactly the same work. They take place at the exact same moment in time and space, although they are mutually exclusive. You're free to describe things however you want, but your descriptions won't change the underlying reality.

It's far far easier to tear down than to build.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by iamskeole »

It seems the vote passed [1], meaning the existing Regulation [(EU) 2021/1232] was _extended_ until August 3 2027, with some amendments to the previous text:

- added targeted scanning requirement

- scanning must be “targeted, specified and limited… where there are reasonable grounds of suspicion… identified by a judicial authority”

[1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-10-2026-007...

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

amelius wrote: post #332
sillysaurusx wrote: post #224

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Because we can barely stop new legislation we don't like, let alone pass new ones we do. You're out-monied by lobbyists at all levels. Maybe a movement could match a lobbyist in terms of money. I hope so.

> You're out-monied by lobbyists at all levels. What does industry gain from new laws here?

You can always find something. There's always someone profiteering from anything and everything that politicians could possibly do.

Politicians demanding total surveillance and population control? Of course there's an industry or two for that. Are they lobbying for this stuff? Absolutely.

But what's the causality? That's the ideological question.

In my view, it's a bit too convenient to blame all political evils on capitalism. Power is its own aphrodisiac. Bigotry has no prerequisits. Neither does stupidity.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by markdown »

DeathArrow wrote: post #295
markdown wrote: post #246

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As it should be. It's good that both the US Fed Reserve Governor and EC appointees didn't have win popularity contests to get there.

You argue that people electing officials who make policies affecting those people is bad?

Very, very bad. Have you seen the quality of politicians today?
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