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Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by [deleted] »

gizajob wrote: post #69
cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.

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Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by surgical_fire »

gizajob wrote: post #69
cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.

The Iranian government is bad, and yes, it should be toppled, eventually, by its own people.

This doesn't change the fact that Iran is the aggressed party in an invasion of an incredibly aggressive US-Israel axis that seem to revel in death.

You can hate the Iranian murderous regime, and also understand that it is fighting against another evil, murderous regime.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by orwin »

wongarsu wrote: post #263
arbuge wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did however murder thousands of protesters in their own streets in January, and who knows how much more dissidents over the years. This one was just this week: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-execution-teen-wrestler-ja... So there's that.

The internal conflict over corruption, water issues and handling of the protesters had a decent chance to cause meaningful changes in government. Starting a war and attacking their civilians put those chances to bed.

Exactly. And this also want' just a protest. They were protest in the big cities and uprising from suppressed minoritiesm which explain the death toll among people from the regime.

Iran might have at best have a self-regime change, at worst split in 3. Now that the war is on, the regime consolidated.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by alephnerd »

jopsen wrote: post #333
alephnerd wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still does/is. Most of what I'm seeing with Iran is similar to what was discussed back in the early 2010s. There hasn't been significant churn in the NatSec space aside from political appointees, and core policymakers like Doshi, Maestro, Allison, Colby, and even Hill have worked with administrations irrespective of party affiliation.

The outcomes is very different from 2010, how so?

> The outcomes is very different from 2010

Not really. What we're seeing today is similar to what was being discussed in 2010 [0]. Heck, this failed missile attempt confirms capabilities that were being discussed in 2010 [1].

[0] - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2010/4/22/us-iran-strike-stil...

[1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/middleeast/29missil...

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by leereeves »

surgical_fire wrote: post #342
gizajob wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.

The Iranian government is bad, and yes, it should be toppled, eventually, by its own people . This doesn't change the fact that Iran is the aggressed party in an invasion of an incredibly aggressive US-Israel axis that seem to revel in death. You can hate the Iranian murderous regime, and also understand that it is fighting against another evil, murderous regime.

> The Iranian government is bad, and yes, it should be toppled, eventually, by its own people.

You would prefer to tell people in Iran who oppose the regime to take up arms (which they don't have) and fight IRGC soldiers with better training and more resources?

Best case, if they did, Iran would end up in a situation like Syria. Would that be an improvement?

More likely, it would simply be a massacre.

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Post by thomassmith65 »

anramon wrote: post #240
thomassmith65 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mullahs and IRGC are not famous for their compassion or kind-heartedness. They are infamous for fulminating against liberals, plotting to kill enemies, torturing and hanging dissidents from cranes, persecuting minorities and women, funding terror cells, and fleecing their citizens to enrich themselves. Many of the comments here suffer from a misguided refusal to be impressed by the regime's reputation, as though…

>from a misguided refusal to be impressed by the regime's reputation You have to thank the actions of the genocidal State of Israel that anything below it is somewhat acceptable. Reaping what they sow themselves.

That's not particularly enlightening, to be frank.

People always ask here why the community flags every post on these issues. Comments like this are why. Hardly anyone on this site knows even basic information on the nations involved.

If I were in charge of HN, I'd geoblock anyone from commenting on the Middle East who isn't at an IP from the Middle East. I wouldn't be able to comment either, but at least there might be enlightening information in the comments.

That said, the first page of any reputable history on Iran/Israel relations would go over 1979, when Israel went from friend of Iran to foe, based on Khomeini's interpretation of Islam.

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Post by srean »

magic_hamster wrote: post #336
srean wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...

I'd appreciate if you didn't spam the same link all over my comments, once is enough. And as for "forensic architecture", please visit their website and go over who these people are - especially the Palestinians from Ramallah and self proclaimed "activists". This is by no means an unbiased organization.

Then don't go asking for a report in all of your comments on this page where you have, once is enough.

Forensic Architecture is one of the most reputed organizations for this line of work.

Their reports are read with great deal of respect here on HN and they cover more than this conflict. If they don't count as credible and competent, nothing will satisfy you -- the moral equivalent of covering one's eyes and ears.

So I will appreciate if you stop this sham of yours of asking for a citation.

While you are at it, do better than ad hominem. I am still waiting to hear an argument about the content of the extensive and methodical report.

For HN audience, the report was discussed on HN here

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by iAMkenough »

gizajob wrote: post #69
cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.

Yeah, but then again the United States has also killed protestors with federal invasions of its cities. As well as slaughtered children with a targeted missle strike on a school.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by leereeves »

verzali wrote: post #337
gizajob wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.

We should have little sympathy for them, but ill thought out war will do nothing to improve things for those citizens. Far more likely the opposite.

This seems to be a fairly well thought out war that's already killed many Iranian leaders, including:

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – Supreme Leader

Major General Abdolrahim Mousavi – Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces

Major General Mohammad Pakpour – Commander-in-Chief of the IRGC

Brigadier General Aziz Nasirzadeh – Minister of Defense

Mohammad Shirazi – Head of Supreme Leader’s military office

Ali Larijani – Senior national security chief

Esmaeil Khatib – Minister of Intelligence

Gholamreza Rezaian – Iranian police intelligence commander

Gholamreza Soleimani – Basij paramilitary commander

Saleh Asadi – Head of military intelligence at Khatam‑al Anbiya

Has there been any other war in which one side so quickly killed the leadership of the other side?

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by chasd00 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #222
ChuckMcM wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the article downplays the element that the attack probably achieved its goal which was not to actually hit something at Diego Garcia, but to show that thing 2500 miles from Iran are potentially targetable by Iran. That starts conversations like the one here and in other fora about whether or not Iran would limit themselves to military targets (Russia doesn't as an example) and if not how could Europe and its…

> to show that thing 2500 miles from Iran are potentially targetable Iran has had IRBMs for some time. Demonstration doesn’t hurt. But demonstrating failure doesn’t particularly help either.

The thing is Iran has long promised their max range was 2k Km and so defensive only. This shows that was a lie.
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