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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by mindslight »

dmitrygr wrote: post #300
jmward01 wrote: post #299

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A professional looks at and understands the situation as it exists now. A professional is trained to not get into situations where fear controls them. Your argument is a compelling one that either these are not professionals or that they are professionals and are doing this on purpose. The stats today clearly show the massive difference between danger to Israeli personnel and Palestinians. Israel at this point has ei…

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Or in democratic societies we can insist that our "public servants" actually serve the public interest of law and order rather than merely using it as a pretext to be able to commit their own violent crimes.

Your rationalization is nothing more than a product of a failed society. Bringing it up as pragmatic advice might make sense, although still not for this incident where the "offense" seems to have been merely stopping a car on the side of the road. But invoking it as some universal value of "what ought" is a pure crab bucket mentality.

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Post by ignoramous »

nailer wrote: post #330
fc417fc802 wrote: post #326

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Same thought in reverse. If oppressive regimes see that intentionally backing a population into a corner ultimately lets them get away with genocide on the global stage then presumably more of them will attempt it in the future.

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> population increases

  Is the Gaza War a genocide? Two key features of the mortality data are consistent with that charge: first, unusually high mortality among women and children; second, the sudden and dramatic fall in life expectancy. In these respects, the war resembles the Rwandan and Cambodian genocides more closely than any other recent conflict involving the US or Israel.
https://original.antiwar.com/noah_carl/2026/01/07/is-the-gaz...

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

nailer wrote: post #331
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #304

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> My gut reaction to 10-7 was to nuke Gaza for good What the actual fuck. Sorry, but you’re a fucking maniac.

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Murder is bad. Still, killing 200 people is not equivalent to killing 2 million people.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by ignoramous »

nailer wrote: post #331
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #304

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> My gut reaction to 10-7 was to nuke Gaza for good What the actual fuck. Sorry, but you’re a fucking maniac.

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> return the same in kind

  "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation of this — go and study it!"
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/689306/jewish...

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by JohnMakin »

0x3f wrote: post #328
JohnMakin wrote: post #111

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The claim is that the IDF shot his family. Even the IDF does not dispute this. What are you thinking this article is saying?

I'm not sure the IDF has confirmed who was killed, but even so the article goes much further than that. That it was a bad shoot, that the car was stationary, that no warnings were given, that the family did nothing to prompt it, that the IDF weren't legitimately mistaken, that the kid's injury is from the incident, that this kid was even there, that they spent 50+ rounds, that the kid who died has special needs. And…

Literally read it, thanks. Glad you did too. Your original post said “unverifiable story” which seemed like the basic facts of the matter could be determined by reading said article and making inferences based on the sources provide. I trust you performed such dilligence.

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Post by nielsbot »

pstuart wrote: post #217
apical_dendrite wrote: post #192

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David Simon and others have written extensively for decades about the problems with the Baltimore Police Department, and other departments around the country. They trace these problems back to the war on drugs and other purely American factors. The Amnesty article that you're citing is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. The Baltimore Police Department did not need to learn about constitutional violations from the I…

Everybody thinks the War on Drugs is about "keeping people safe". It never was, it was always about manufacturing a tool to oppress "others".

You can add The War On Terror to that list.

Where do think US police get all their fun toys to play with?

"How 9/11 helped to militarize American law enforcement": https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-9-11-helped-to-milita...

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Post by poisonarena »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #301
sreejithr wrote: post #231

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Exactly! Don't bring politics into HN. Everyone and their dog have grievances. There's a time and place for them.

Exactly, we shouldn’t waste the precious time of HNers so that they can instead… checks notes… read about the nth vibevcoded side project!

I come here to escape these reddit style cesspools.. hacker news is literally for tech news and nth vibecoding side projects

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by 0x3f »

JohnMakin wrote: post #345
0x3f wrote: post #328

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I'm not sure the IDF has confirmed who was killed, but even so the article goes much further than that. That it was a bad shoot, that the car was stationary, that no warnings were given, that the family did nothing to prompt it, that the IDF weren't legitimately mistaken, that the kid's injury is from the incident, that this kid was even there, that they spent 50+ rounds, that the kid who died has special needs. And…

Literally read it, thanks. Glad you did too. Your original post said “unverifiable story” which seemed like the basic facts of the matter could be determined by reading said article and making inferences based on the sources provide. I trust you performed such dilligence.

The only agreed upon basic facts by both sides are that someone has died at the hands of the IDF. The rest (i.e. what makes up most of the claims) is pure anecdote and thus, unverifiable. I'm not sure what the issue is with saying as much.

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Post by bhouston »

nailer wrote: post #327
bhouston wrote: post #257

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> is it not possible to say that both hamas and the IDF do terrible things? I agree. Hamas and IDF do terrible things - the ICC issued warrants for the leaders of both. This is why an external party has to impose a solution and it should involve in my opinion separation (two-states.) Both parties are radicalized at least for now and need to be separated and allowed to manage their own affairs while allowing the other…

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100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have recognized a Palestinian state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-pres...

While there was rejectionists in the past, Netanyahu has been the rejectionist for the last two decades. He says so himself:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-...

He and his cronies boosted Hamas in part to split the Palestinians so as to avoid having to negotiate a two-state solution:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

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Post by thot_experiment »

olelele wrote: post #96
ahf8Aithaex7Nai wrote: post #69

I am German. My government does not acknowledge the tragedy that has been unfolding in Gaza since the Hamas attack in October 2023. It’s absurd. Since then, Jewish people in Berlin who were demonstrating alongside Palestinians against the war in Gaza have been beaten down by the German police. In 2021, Esther Bejarano, the last survivor of the Auschwitz Girls’ Orchestra, passed away in Hamburg. Whenever she commented…

I live in DE too, it's terrifying. I didn't realize the extent of the armaments shipped to Israel from Germany until recently. The Israeli navy ships were built in German shipyards and subsidized 30%...

It's terrifying everywhere, really shines a light on the insane levels of propaganda we live under. I don't really know what can be done about it, it's really just hard to wrap my head around living in a country that so explicitly and directly supports an ethnostate and their active genocide.
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