US Job Market Visualizer

Post by shagie » Tue, Mar 17, 2026, 2:05 AM UTC

trimbo wrote: post #340

shagie wrote: post #304

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Universities typically are in the public sector side of the equation... and the public sector doesn't pay any non-administrative role the Big Tech rate. Pulling up my alma mater... https://www.openthebooks.com/wisconsin-state-employees/?Year... The various roles that you'll find for software developers: Sr Is Specialist, Is Tech Srv Cons/Adm, Sr Inform Proc Conslt, Sr Systems Programmer And you can pull up the pay sc…

> Universities typically are in the public sector side of the equation... and the public sector doesn't pay any non-administrative role the Big Tech rate. There's absolutely no reason government couldn't pay competitive rates for software engineers. They do it for doctors and administrators of state-owned medical centers. Not to mention football coaches https://openpayrolls.com/justin-wilcox-146812860

Post by beeflet » Tue, Mar 17, 2026, 2:26 AM UTC

drivebyhooting wrote: post #272

thewebguyd wrote: post #91

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> lays bare the net economic value of all our bullshit jobs. This was already obvious, the more important question is what are we (collectively, society & our governments) going to do about it? We (should have) already known most of our jobs were bullshit jobs, especially white collar jobs. The difference is now we might have something coming that will eliminate the bullshit jobs. But society will always need bullshi…

Clean the bed pans of boomer retirees. And pay into a collapsing social security to finish off the wealth transfer.

Post by valleyer » Tue, Mar 17, 2026, 2:43 AM UTC

9rx wrote: post #71

n00bskoolbus wrote: post #41

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I'd chalk that up to a change in terminology over time, I could be wrong there though

The BLS classifies them as different roles. In essence: Software developers plan, computer programmers implement. Which in many cases might be the same person, but it has always been true that one person can hold multiple jobs.

Post by SilverElfin » Tue, Mar 17, 2026, 3:10 AM UTC

Dig1t wrote: post #336

SilverElfin wrote: post #323

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> The fact that H1B's get paid less than Americans across the board is all you really need to know about the issue. Except this is literally false. Every single study I’ve seen that claims this has no real evidence - just speculation without knowing the details of the jobs or the people being hired, based on their own self-serving false comparisons to make dubious claims that similar jobs are paid differently. Since…

I have worked at Apple for a decade, H1B's absolutely do get paid less. We have many H1B's that literally just sit around and push buttons and file bug reports, and barely know how to code. Some of them can't code at all. Ofc some of them are good engineers, but they are not even in the majority. There is plenty of data to back this up. >A total of 60% of all H-1B jobs are assigned wage levels that are well below the…

Post by shagie » Tue, Mar 17, 2026, 4:01 AM UTC

valleyer wrote: post #345

lesuorac wrote: post #164

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Ignoring the sentence that admits they can be the same ("Programmers work closely with software developers, and in some businesses their duties overlap."). Programmers is like a translator; somebody else came up with what to do and you're doing the mechanical work of converting words into C++. Developer involves coming up with what to do. Hence programmers is a lower paid position.

That's not a distinction that exists in industry.

    Programmers often are grouped into two broad types: Applications programmers and systems programmers. Applications programmers usually are oriented toward business, engineering, or science. They write software to handle specific jobs, such as a program used in an inventory control system or one to guide a missile after it has been fired. They also may work alone to revise existing packaged software. Systems programmers, on the other hand, maintain the software that controls the operation of an entire computer system. These workers make changes in the sets of instructions that determine how the central processing unit of the system handles the various jobs it has been given and communicates with peripheral equipment, such as terminals, printers, and disk drives. Because of their knowledge of the entire computer system, systems programmers often help applications programmers determine the source of problems that may occur with their programs.

    Programmers write programs according to the specifications determined primarily by computer software engineers and systems analysts. (Separate statements on computer software engineers and on computer systems analysts, database administrators, and computer scientists appear elsewhere in the Handbook.) After the design process is complete, it is the job of the programmer to convert that design into a logical series of instructions that the computer can follow. ... In practice, programmers often are referred to by the language they know, as are Java programmers, or the type of function they perform or environment in which they work, which is the case for database programmers, mainframe programmers, or Web programmers.

    Software engineers working in applications or systems development analyze users’ needs and design, construct, test, and maintain computer applications software or systems. Software engineers can be involved in the design and development of many types of software, including software for operating systems and network distribution, and compilers, which convert programs for execution on a computer. In programming, or coding, software engineers instruct a computer, line by line, how to perform a function. They also solve technical problems that arise. Software engineers must possess strong programming skills, but are more concerned with developing algorithms and analyzing and solving programming problems than with actually writing code. (A separate statement on computer programmers appears elsewhere in the Handbook.)