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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by malfist »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #38
malfist wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I buy liquor (well, I don't drink anymore, so THC seltzers), the liquor company isn't saving my ID to my profile and then following me around everywhere I go for the rest of my life shouting "This is MALFIST, he's 42! He buys alcohol! He also visited X Y and Z last week and had interests in A, B and C. He's annual income is six figures and buys expensive bourbon."

Not yet anyway. But there's nothing much stopping Google to offer a "verification" service to "help combat fake IDs" using a web connected camera at the till.

The incentives aren't aligned yet. Not enough people browse the internet with ID verification yet. So knowing Malfist bought liquor isn't enough, you have to know which browser is Malfist.

Likewise, incentives aren't there for liquor stores. They make money by allowing fake ids to work.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by jim33442 »

michaelt wrote: post #27

> I was pondering last night for which services I, personally, would actually be willing to verify my age or identity. > And… the answer is “none”. > At least, none that I can think of at the moment. Think back to the recent pandemic. Work? Online. School? Online. Recreational activities? Online. Talking to loved ones you don’t live with? Online. Birthday party? Online. Nonfood shopping? Online. Banking? Paying taxes…

A lot of these don't have any legitimate reason for your ID. Banking and job sure, but those will ask for it offline too.

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Post by t1234s »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

Bingo

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by muyuu »

jodrellblank wrote: post #318
muyuu wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i've caught a lot of heat in the UK where i live for my position on GDPR, which is that i completely reject it, because people seem to believe it's there to protect any rights if there's anything remotely good with GDPR is the requirement to companies to disclose known data breaches all the rest of it is a terrible idea and only serves to nag people and legitimise the darkest of patterns the regulation should be ther…

GDPR has very little to do with dark patterns, nag screens, or online tracking? > " all the rest of it is a terrible idea " Having a legal right to ask a company for a copy of all the data they have on you is terrible? Having a right to ask a company to correct errors in data about you, or delete data about you, that's terrible? A company having to tell you what they intend do with data about you and stick to it for…

you didn't get to read all post did you

there are bits, but the total package is cancer

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by getpokedagain »

cortesoft wrote: post #163
bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

I am in my mid forties, been working as a professional software developer for over 20 years. I click “accept the cookies” almost every time. I just personally don’t feel it’s worth the effort and cost to try to avoid it. What “dark pattern cookie trick” are you worried about? I just can’t come up with a scenario where it will actually harm me in any way. All the examples I have heard are either completely implausible…

I don't think you are being naive but I do caution you before you don't worry.

Its not always clear what the desired outcome is here. The dark pattern could have nothing to do with the tracking most folks worry about. We like our phones more than our laptops because we touch the screens for example. The dark pattern here could simply be you use the site more because you do more actions there driving you to waste time and view ads. Who knows.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by procaryote »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

You're still relying on sites fulfilling what they promise in a world where facebook has been blatantly violating gdpr from day one and enforcement just isn't happening

Set your browser to block 3rd party cookies, add privacy badger and ublock origin. It will have more effect than clicking "reject"

I click "don't send me mail" every time I buy something. Every place I buy from still sends me spam at some point. There are no negative repercussions for them beyond whatever infinitessimal thing me clicking the "report as spam" button does

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by malfist »

marmarama wrote: post #143
sspiff wrote: post #60

I'm fine with providing my identity for online banking and other finance platforms for legal & taxation purposes. I can't think of a single other use case in which I'd be willing to verify my identity. I'd rather go back to hosting email myself, and am fine with circumventing content access control for all other platforms for personal use. We're seeing the world slide towards authoritarian strongmen, and we want to g…

The problem is those self-same authoritarian strongmen are very successfully using sockpuppeting to change national discourses in ways that benefit them and are detrimental to the targeted countries. Hybrid war is real and has been ongoing for more than a decade. LLMs make it way more cost effective. Being able to limit the influence of external bad actors is the main goal of ID verification. Age verification is a us…

> Being able to limit the influence of external bad actors is the main goal of ID verification. Age verification is a useful side effect that makes it easier to sell to the general public.

How? People already sell their accounts to spammers. Why would that change?

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by g-b-r »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #198
cortesoft wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in my mid forties, been working as a professional software developer for over 20 years. I click “accept the cookies” almost every time. I just personally don’t feel it’s worth the effort and cost to try to avoid it. What “dark pattern cookie trick” are you worried about? I just can’t come up with a scenario where it will actually harm me in any way. All the examples I have heard are either completely implausible…

I think he is referring to how some have an "Accept cookies" and a cookie's settings, but to reject cookies you have to open a separate dialog box. I agree, and I think it is so wild that people would give their actual email to random sites.

Very few still have that, at least from Europe, and for those which do it's almost usually just a single additional step.

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Post by tuetuopay »

chrisjj wrote: post #164
thewebguyd wrote: post #62

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> It is the young people that are growing up conditioned to press accept It's really alarming, actually. I run the cyber security training & phishing simulations at my work, and it's the younger employees that struggle the most. It's like they just assume that everything on the web is trustworthy. It's not hard to see why though. They grew up with app stores & locked down devices. No concept of a file or file system,…

> They grew up with app stores & locked down devices. No concept of a file or file system I think almost every Android user has thise concepts. But on the trustworthy web assumption, I agree. The only effective remedy is a personal calamity.

Are you really exposed to those concepts for daily Zoomer usage? I mean, you can spend your whole normie life using an Android phone never going to the file manager.

(fwiw it's been a while since iOS also have those concepts)

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Post by sophacles »

cm2012 wrote: post #309
layman51 wrote: post #286

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I disagree, because there’s always a chunk of advertising that seems to be all about targeting low-income or people who aren’t financially savvy and I don’t think it’s ethical for an apparatus to take advantage of them.

I think if a product is harmful, advertising it should be banned. Alcohol, drugs, gambling ads should be banned.

What about food products that can be used to excess? What about cars or AI or vacations? All these products can be harmful when misused.
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