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British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by gylterud »

dangus wrote: post #285
jorvi wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Instinctively, I think morning light is important to our biology for a daily reset I'd bet people would happily trade away the inkling of light they get during their winter commute before locking themselves into their office for some extra daylight when they leave that office. Daylight is most enjoyable if you can actually make use of it.

Time is an arbitrary construct in the sense that the mere lack of arbitrary change in time is a net benefit. I.e., anyone who doesn’t like the change in either direction can just change schedules accordingly for business hours. Whether that means 8-4 or 9-5 or 10-6 is irrelevant. The fact that we would stop altering schedules twice a year is a positive.

No changing when schools and kindergartens are open. Where I live, kindergarten closes 16:30. So 8–16 it is!

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by s1artibartfast »

prpl wrote: post #173
bryanlarsen wrote: post #40

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Average school start/end times in BC are 8:30 AM and 3 PM. Standard time in Vancouver puts sunrise/sunset at 8AM/415PM at winter solstice for standard time. That's 30 minutes of daylight before school and 75 minutes after school. IOW, kids are more likely to be walking in the dark in the morning, even with standard time. Switching to daylight time will switch sunrise/sunset to 9AM/515PM, guaranteeing kids will be wal…

if it ends up being an issue, then the schools could just change start time?

No, kids will just die because schools match the offices, which match expected hours

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Post by asmosoinio »

goodmodule wrote: post #37

It would be great to see Europe adopt it as well. Changing clocks twice a year feels outdated and more disruptive than beneficial.

It was proposed officially in 2018, but unfortunately the decision was never finalized:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/seasonal-time-ch...

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by asmosoinio »

watwut wrote: post #43
goodmodule wrote: post #37

It would be great to see Europe adopt it as well. Changing clocks twice a year feels outdated and more disruptive than beneficial.

Absolutely not. The time that would stay is the bad one. With switch, we get reasonable half a years. Without it, it would be whole unreasonable year.

Why? Can't people adjust their schedules as needed?

Schools don't have to always start at the same time? And many jobs also not?

It's not like 9-17 work hours are set on stone?

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Post by bonestamp2 »

xer0x wrote: post #198
TheSkyHasEyes wrote: post #115

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I read elsewhere this may be partial reason why BC forged ahead. As Canada/US relationship is on the rocks and BC stopped waiting for the US to change.

Nailed it. It's been ~5 years, and the odds of coordinating with the US grow smaller by the month.

I think we just needed some government with the balls to go for it and everyone else on the west coast will follow. The legality of DST might be an issue in the US but if we can clear that hurdle then BC could be the catalyst.

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Post by baq »

timschmidt wrote: post #338
djmips wrote: post #286

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Why not just start school later?

Protestant work ethic? I know it's a terrible reason. Seems to be the reason, though.

DST and time zones have been invented much later than Protestantism, so I wouldn’t worry about the ethical part specifically

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by baq »

alpinisme wrote: post #183
allknowingfrog wrote: post #157

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Well, I'm not one of those people. I like waking up with the sun and driving to work in the daylight. The idea that DST solves anything absolutely blows my mind. If you want the ability to start your work day earlier and end it earlier, that seems like a worker protection bill that needs to be passed. DST is the kludgiest kludge that ever kludged.

Where I live June sunrise (with DST) is 5:11am and sunset is 8:21pm (a city on the American east coast). I just can’t imagine a majority of people would want 4:11 rising and 7:21 setting.

Clock is a social contract. China has just one time zone and it seems to work fine.

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Post by duskdozer »

gonzalohm wrote: post #168
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #4

My dream world is everyone using 24 hour clocks set to UTC

And then it's going to be so fun guessing at which time each country in the world starts working

Ideally, you would be asking what time your specific colleagues start and end work, which could be quite different than the average of people who work in their country.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by gbriel »

WalterGR wrote: post #14
bryanlarsen wrote: post #6

I would have preferred permanent standard time to permanent daylight time. But I accept I'm in the minority, and even permanent daylight time is far superior to changing clocks twice a year.

> I would have preferred permanent standard time to permanent daylight time. Do you have children? In past HN threads, the preference largely comes down to whether you have children (and want more early morning light for safer trips to school) or not.

Start school later. I understand people also have jobs, start those jobs later. I understand people have expectations about when stores open. They can figure it out that stores open when the sun comes up. If they need to plan they can ask when sunrise is.
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