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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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What moment would that be? Begging for the Americans to bomb their former country?

Yes. 10 million Iranians live outside Iran. They want a normal country again. Later today, I'm sure footage from LA, Toronto, London, Stockholm will be up.

It’s great, they can go back home now and get on with building a new state.

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There was a clip of one of Iran's missiles dodging 3 Patriot interceptors to hit the US base in Bahrain. I realized I just watched $12m wasted for nothing in less than 5 seconds.

> There was a clip of one of Iran's missiles dodging 3 Patriot interceptors to hit the US base in Bahrain. Link?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Al+Udeid+3+patriots+miss+ira...

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The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here's the scene in Berlin: https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm They've waited a very long time for this moment!

I have no doubt that they didn't like that the regime, which is why they left. But this assassination is no guarantee of change for the better. Far from it.

Well, in any case, it is a guarantee that Iran will be less of a danger for other nations if the regime falls, and that people inside of the country will suffer - because either pro-Western or any other government is bound to be a lot weaker, and there will be a lot more violence and economic disruption, eventually economic degradation. It should avenge the emigrants, and provide sufficient punishment for those in Iran for enabling this regime in the first place.

Let's not have illusions about it. There is no way to build a sustainable democracy in a country that never had such leanings and is not culturally/religiously predisposed to it, and can't be physically coerced into it with boots on the ground. Achievable goals are punishment, and neutering.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here's the scene in Berlin: https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm They've waited a very long time for this moment!

I have no doubt that they didn't like that the regime, which is why they left. But this assassination is no guarantee of change for the better. Far from it.

It depends on how well the regime brainwashed its people over the last 50 years. The majority of Iranians haven't any experience of anything else - I think around 55% are under 40 years old.

There's a US born professor Marandi who said in an interview a few weeks ago that the regime had put in place succession plans, including for himself.

I'm hopeful but skeptical that they will change for the better.

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America and Israel are lawless countries. Can you imagine other countries assassinating a foreign head of state and not getting immediate blowback?

I prefer assassinations of leaders in wars over deaths of soldiers and especially civilians. Considering how Israel had to raze entire cities to beat 'Hamas' or the US dropping nukes in WW2 instead of bombing the Japanese Emperor. This is decent as far as wars go.

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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I have no doubt that they didn't like that the regime, which is why they left. But this assassination is no guarantee of change for the better. Far from it.

It's less a revolution and more a matter of catching the tide of shifting world powers — and seizing a rare shot at building something other than the last failed experiment. New Iran, new experiment. You bet Iranians are euphoric right now. Some of the country's brightest intellectuals and political minds are sitting in Evin prison, and if all goes well, they're about to walk out and help shape what comes next. My da…

> It's less a revolution and more a matter of catching the tide of shifting world powers — and seizing a rare shot at building something other than the last failed experiment

The Arab spring wasn't that long ago, was it? We all saw how that turned out, but I suppose hope springs eternal.

> You bet Iranians are euphoric right now

I'm guessing the 50+ dead elementary school kids may put a damper on celebrations a bit.

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Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far. As he has told us countless times, he would like to be a dictator.

>Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far Over a million people in the US died of COVID. It's impossible to know exactly how many of them would've lived if the pandemic started under a president with a saner response than recommending injecting disinfectant, but I'm willing to bet it's more than two.

Parent is referring to the same president as the grandparent...

Trump has murdered 2 innocent U.S. citizens so far, and was president when COVID started. Trump's response to COVID was part of why he lost the 2020 election.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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> There was a clip of one of Iran's missiles dodging 3 Patriot interceptors to hit the US base in Bahrain. Link?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Al+Udeid+3+patriots+miss+ira...

It looks like the interceptors hit it, but missile was only damaged and not destroyed.

No one's a perfect shot: the misses aren't waste, because some misses should be expected.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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and murdered a bunch of Venezuelans, a bunch of non-citizens in the USA, collected from American companies and residents billions in tariffs... How about those Epstein files?

The death toll for the Venezuela raid is between 80 and 100, out of them only 10 were civilians. I feel bad for those 10 civilians but, for the rest, I feel no sympathy, as they were oppressors.

Doesn't change the fact that it was a war crime. But hey, "rules based order," right?

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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At some point you have to decide: if my country is held back by a brutal dictatorial regime where civilians can't hope to topple it, is there anything else to do other than get external help?

At no point in life I would wish for my fellow citizens to get killed by a foreign power. I’m already in my mid-40s, I’ve spent a day or two out in the streets, protesting (granted, not against governments that the West labels as dictatorial), but at no point has that option crossed my mind. More on point, I would regard the people thinking like that as traitors, because that’s what they are by definition, wishing fo…

> your fellow citizens to get killed by a foreign Power so that your political views can prevail

What does the assassination of DICTATORS have to do with all of this? Dictatorship is less about citizenship and more about a form of slavery. Resisting the killing of a dictator in any way, regardless of who is trying to kill him or why, is treason to a nation.

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