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Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by dormento »

azeirah wrote: post #304
wazHFsRy wrote: post #235

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I think this misses something. The output here is something not the thing. Yes the scaffolding is important, but the requirements are even more important. You need crystal clear requirements + great scaffolding and then the implementation becomes mechanical.

Sorry but what do you mean crystal clear requirements? I don't particularly think "y7u8888888ftrg34BC" would pass as a crystal clear requirement at my workplace : Do you mean something different?

> y7u8888888ftrg34BC

This is more information than the average users gives you when requesting new features.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by DrewADesign »

mikkupikku wrote: post #314
DrewADesign wrote: post #210

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Nobody gives a damn about the dying of a trade. People don’t want their house foreclosed on when they lose their income, or their cancer to kill them when they lose their health insurance, to move an elderly parent into a cheap shitty old folks home because they can’t afford home health care, or not be able to pay for their kid to go on that school field trip. This would all be pretty fucking swell if the fundamental…

You act as if this is the first time in history technology has wiped out a trade and made people scramble to sort out their lives. No, this has been happening over and over again throughout history and at a rapidly accelerating pace since the industrial revolution. Why should we ask it to slow down on behalf of programmers, when it never did for anybody else? Don't pretend you didn't know this was a possibility when…

Your glib dismissal of the real effects of those technological upheavals shows you haven’t actually looked into this. You should probably tamp down that smugness until you find out.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by the_af »

charcircuit wrote: post #228
the_af wrote: post #191

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> There are people who say that you should use a real artist instead of AI due to AI's water use. Nobody I know says this. In fact, I've never heard of this ever before, and I read artist and hobby communities pretty hostile to AI, but I never once read this nice strawman you've built. People say you should use a real artist instead of AI for a multitude of reasons: - Because they want to enjoy art created by humans.…

>Nobody I know says this. >I never once read this nice strawman you've built. The instance of it I found was in a YouTube comment section.

Ok, let me reframe in a less assertive way: it's not common to say that you should hire human artists "because of water", so uncommon it's not a widely held belief I've seen in artist or hobbyist communities, and therefore using this to justify Altman's deranged remark seems weird to me.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by thunky »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #332
thunky wrote: post #329

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> A human being is not some number on a spreadsheet, built over 20 years in order to achieve some "smartness" goal But from the perspective of the business and capitalism that's exactly what a human is. A tool that consumes resources and hopefully produces more value for the business than it consumes. Sure we can dance around this and you can pretend your employer gives a shit about you and your family and your child…

> Sure we can dance around this and you can pretend your employer gives a shit about you and your family and your childhood stories but they don't. I don’t get what you’re doing here. They didn’t say anything like that.

> I don’t get what you’re doing here

You said that a CEO was out of bounds for framing employees as numbers on a spreadsheet. To me this suggests that you believe company owners should care about the humanity of their workers. And I'm saying they don't.

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Post by groestl »

jraph wrote: post #253
groestl wrote: post #238

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> You are not causing more water to be used by asking a human to work on something. That's certainly not true. Asking me to think hard about something will cause me to burn more calories. Asking me to do physical work even more so.

Would you be completely at rest if you were not asked to produce stuff? Do you think AI replaces our hard thinking and our physical work? AI or not, I personally intend to keep thinking and my physical activity.

I don't do any moral judgement at all, and I also don't predict the future.

I respond to "You are not causing more water to be used by asking a human to work on something.", because that statement is false. (Mental) work has an effect on the human metabolism.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by doctorpangloss »

cyber_kinetist wrote: post #212

I think this was the most important insight in the article: > I experimented with Rust/Bevy and Unity before settling on Godot. Bevy’s animations and visuals weren’t as crisp, and Claude struggled with its coordinate conventions - likely a combination of less training data and Bevy leaving many core features, like physics, to the community. Unity was a constant struggle to keep the MCP bridge between Claude and the e…

Unity also has a text based scene format.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by the_af »

thunky wrote: post #344
Forgeties79 wrote: post #332

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> Sure we can dance around this and you can pretend your employer gives a shit about you and your family and your childhood stories but they don't. I don’t get what you’re doing here. They didn’t say anything like that.

> I don’t get what you’re doing here You said that a CEO was out of bounds for framing employees as numbers on a spreadsheet. To me this suggests that you believe company owners should care about the humanity of their workers. And I'm saying they don't.

I think by "they", Forgeties79 means me, the_af.

I get the general point you're making. Indeed, Altman's take is capitalism taken to 11. There was a lot of that going on before AI or the past few decades, but I don't think it wasn't as extreme and for every company. There's definitely a conversation to be had about modern capitalism (and plenty of people studying it, too). However, not everything is a FAANG or tech startup. Some owners do care about their employees to a higher degree than just numbers on a spreadsheet (not going into the whole "we're a family" bullshit speech, I mean the genuine stuff).

Imagine thinking of people as "resource-hogs before they reach peak smartness"!

What's new here, in my opinion, is people like Sam Altman behaving as if they didn't understand normal human behavior. You cannot simply compare an LLM to a growing human. You cannot say things like "grow a human over 20 years before they achieve smartness". What? That's not how human beings think about human beings, and Altman is detached from real human behavior here. He's saying out loud the thoughts he should keep to himself, a bit like a person with coprolalia. And it's ok for us to dislike him for this, even if he's just voicing the opinions of extreme techno-capitalism.

Sam Altman once joked (?) he wouldn't know how to raise his child without ChatGPT. Maybe he should ask ChatGPT how to behave more like a human? Or at least fake it?

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Post by mikkupikku »

DrewADesign wrote: post #342
mikkupikku wrote: post #314

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You act as if this is the first time in history technology has wiped out a trade and made people scramble to sort out their lives. No, this has been happening over and over again throughout history and at a rapidly accelerating pace since the industrial revolution. Why should we ask it to slow down on behalf of programmers, when it never did for anybody else? Don't pretend you didn't know this was a possibility when…

Your glib dismissal of the real effects of those technological upheavals shows you haven’t actually looked into this. You should probably tamp down that smugness until you find out.

Did you think about it before you got into the tech industry? You should have, technology has been wiping out jobs since forever but you got into tech anyway. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Except you needn't actually die, just walk into a staffing agency and ask for a new job. I have done so before, and will do so again. I have prepared for what is to come, saw it coming 20 years ago and saw the imminence of it when GPT-2 was released. I have sympathy for other kinds of white collar professionals who never could have anticipated these kind of developments, but technologists? Give me a break. You knew, or should have known, that technological developments in this domain were likely.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by mikkupikku »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #340
mikkupikku wrote: post #314

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You act as if this is the first time in history technology has wiped out a trade and made people scramble to sort out their lives. No, this has been happening over and over again throughout history and at a rapidly accelerating pace since the industrial revolution. Why should we ask it to slow down on behalf of programmers, when it never did for anybody else? Don't pretend you didn't know this was a possibility when…

> You might have to downsize your life but humanity as a whole will be better off This assumes that there will be other jobs to get. If AI replaces a large enough segment of office jobs then huge portions of the population will be unable to afford essentials like food and healthcare.

Walk into a staffing agency, ask for a job. They'll give you a list, pick the one that sounds the least disagreeable. Show up on time, every day, for at least two or three months and you'll convert the temp position into a full time job.

It's literally that easy, showing up reliably is a super power that puts you in the 90th percentile of workers these days. The job probably won't be as comfortable as sitting on a comfortable chair in an air-conditioning office wiggling your fingers at a computer, but so what? Other people make it work, so can you. Man up.

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