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Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

gck1 wrote: post #186
hendersoon wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The -p flag should be fine, so long as you don't use their oauth in a third-party tool. Gemini also supports A2A for this sort of thing.

But the question is - why is the -p flag fine? It hits the same endpoints with the same OAuth token and same quotas. Comments section here and on related news from Anthropic seems to be centered around the idea that the reason for these bans is that it burns tokens quickly, while their plans are subsidized. What changes with the -p flag? You're just using cli instead of HTTP. Are the metrics from their cli more valua…

> Are the metrics from their cli more valuable than the treasure trove of prompt data that passes through to them either way that justifies this PR?

Yes. The only reason they subsidise all-you-can-prompt subscriptions is to collect additional data / signals. They can use those signals to further improve their models.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by integralpilot »

anon84873628 wrote: post #334
tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #319

So the timeline is basically * User uses Google oauth to integrate their open claw * user gets banned from using Google AI services with no warning * user still gets charged If you go backwards, getting charged for services you can't access is rough. I feel sorry for those who are deeply integrated into Google services or getting banned on their main accounts. It's not a great situation. Also, getting banned without…

I don't understand step 1. OAuth client applications have to be registered in GCP, right? They have to request specific scopes for specific APIs, and there is a review process before they can be used by the public. Did none of that happen for the Open Claw client? How is it the users' fault for clicking a "Sign in with Google" button? And if there was a mistake, why not ban the whole client? I could see a problem wit…

To my understanding, OpenClaw pretends to be Antigravity by using the Antigravity OAuth client ID (and doesn't have its own), and then the takes the token Google returns to instead use with OpenClaw.

When I first tried OpenClaw and chose Google Sign-In, I noticed the window appeared saying "Sign into Google Antigravity" with a Google official mark, and a warning it shouldn't be used to sign into anything besides official Google apps. I closed it immediately and uninstalled OpenClaw as this was suspicious to me, and it was a relatively new project then.

It amazes me that the maintainer(s) allowed something like this...

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #155
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #33

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Why is it unreasonable? It’s a subsidized price; conditional to using their tooling. Don’t want to use their tooling? Pay the API rates. The API is sitting right there, ready to use for a broader range of purposes. It’s only unreasonable if you think the customer has a right to have their cake and eat it too.

We can debate on the policy. The punishment, of being kicked out of your Google account for a zero-tolerance first offense, is completely unreasonable, is incredibly extreme Lawful Evil alignment. The damage to individuals that Google is willing to just hand out here, to customers they have had for decades, who have their lives built around Google products, is absurd. This is criminally bad behavior and whatever the…

> this is an affront to the dignity of man

This right here is an insane take to the opposite direction. Abuse, violence, torture, war, oppression, these are affronts to the dignity of man. Being kicked off a service from one business is absolutely not. It’s an inconvenience, but does not determine whether you will have bodily integrity.

By this logic, eviction from an apartment is a torture regardless of what the tenant did.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by transcriptase »

oofbey wrote: post #309
hsaliak wrote: post #245

Google's Pro service (no idea about ultra and I have no intention to find out) is riddled with 429s. They have generous quotas for sure, but they really give you very low priority. For example, I still dont have access to Gemini 3.1 from that endpoint. It's completely uncharacteristic of Google. I analyzed 6k HTTP requests on the Pro account, 23% of those were hit with 429s. (Though not from Gemini-CLI, but from my o…

I’ve often suspected these models of getting dumber when the service is under high load. But I’ve never seen actually measured results or proof. Anybody know of real published data here?

ChatGPT was brutal for it a couple years ago. You could tell when it would go into “lazy mode” during peak usage periods.

Suddenly instead of writing the code you asked for it would give some generic bullet points telling you to find a library to do what you asked for and read the documentation.

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Post by sebmellen »

peter422 wrote: post #285
sebmellen wrote: post #223

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It’s so weird, right? Clearly this comment relevant to the tool the profile is selling as a kind of ‘submarine’ ad… profile was created 53 days ago (so no green tag) but only started commenting in earnest 12 hours ago (almost as if the account was farmed). And the comment is full of AI tropes that seem highly generated.

It’s clearly AI generated when you see 3 comments of similar style posted in the same minute. Anyways ignore the people downvoting you, I don’t want to read AI generated comments even if they are seemingly reasonable. I appreciate you flagging the comment for me, I didn’t even suspect it. I can make my own AI generated content if I want it, I want to read thoughts and ideas from actual humans.

Good to see a fellow human on here. Thank you.

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Post by versalog1460 »

Gigachad wrote: post #325
adamq_q wrote: post #323

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How to solve the increasing frequency of AI generated posts on HN

For now, a js script that hides green username comments

I’m new here and even I’m fed up with posts from AI bots. I just wanted a place that was away from all that nonsense, but here I am.

I use a custom userscript on my PC to hide posts that have certain keywords that attracts that type of crowd. I don’t have it on my phone which sucks but it’s nice for browsing during college classes.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by fasbiner »

Thorrez wrote: post #294
marcus_holmes wrote: post #273

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I'd agree with you if this was some new SaaS just opening its doors. But Google are banning entire accounts, with years, even decades, of personal history, photos, even phone accounts and app development projects. They very easily could just negate the anti-gravity access, which would be much, much more reasonable.

>But Google are banning entire accounts, with years, even decades, of personal history, photos, even phone accounts and app development projects. Source? It seems to me only the anti-gravity access was blocked. The link says > Our product engineering team has confirmed that your account was suspended from using our Antigravity service. > there’s no way we can restore our accounts to use Antigravity anymore yeah? Disc…

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