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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by simonw »

verdverm wrote: post #334
simonw wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd have to setup a new VPS, which is fiddly to do from a phone. If I had a Claw that piece would be solved already. Cron is also the perfect example of the kind of system I've been using for 20+ years where is still prefer to have an LLM configure it for me! Quick, off the top of your head what's the cron syntax for "run this at 8am and 4pm every day pacific time"?

I took the "running 24/7” to imply less AI writes code once and more to imply AI is available all the time for ad hoc requests. I tried to adjust back to the median with my third question. I find the idea of programming from my phone unappealing, do you ever put work down? Or do you have to be always on now, being a thought leader / influencer?

I do most of my programming from my phone now. I love it. I get to spend more time out in the world and not chained to my laptop. I can work in the garden with the chickens, or take the dog on a walk, or use public transport time productively while going to fun places.

It's actually the writing of content for my blog that chains me to the laptop, because I won't let AI write for me. I do get a lot of drafts and the occasional short post written in Apple Notes though.

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Post by fogzen »

What I don’t get: If it’s just a workflow engine why even use LLM for anything but a natural language interface to workflows? In other words, if I can setup a Zapier/n8n workflow with natural language, why would I want to use OpenClaw?

Nondeterministic execution doesn’t sound great for stringing together tool calls.

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Post by wolttam »

samiv wrote: post #314
nightski wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you ever doubted it you were fooling yourself. It is inevitable.

It's ok we'll just send a robot back in time to help destroy the chip that starts it.

Judging by what's going on around me, it failed :(

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Post by GistNoesis »

sph wrote: post #263
claytonaalves wrote: post #219

I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

This is exactly why artificial super-intelligences are scary. Not necessarily because of its potential actions, but because humans are stupid, and would readily sell their souls and release it into the wild just for an ounce of greed or popularity. And people who don't see it as an existential problem either don't know how deep human stupidity can run, or are exactly those that would greedily seek a quick profit befo…

It's even worse than that.

The positives outcomes are structurally being closed. The race to the bottom means that you can't even profit from it.

Even if you release something that have plenty of positive aspects, it can and is immediately corrupted and turned against you.

At the same time you have created desperate people/companies and given them huge capabilities for very low cost and the necessity to stir things up.

So for every good door that someone open, it pushes ten other companies/people to either open random potentially bad doors or die.

Regulating is also out of the question because otherwise either people who don't respect regulations get ahead or the regulators win and we are under their control.

If you still see some positive door, I don't think sharing them would lead to good outcomes. But at the same time the bad doors are being shared and therefore enjoy network effects. There is some silent threshold which probably has already been crossed, which drastically change the sign of the expected return of the technology.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by efromvt »

gsf_emergency_6 wrote: post #203
7777777phil wrote: post #20

Karpathy has a good ear for naming things. "Claw" captures what the existing terminology missed, these aren't agents with more tools (maybe even the opposite), they're persistent processes with scheduling and inter-agent communication that happen to use LLMs for reasoning.

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Carcinization - now for your drinks AND your AI

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by hmokiguess »

qudat wrote: post #339
btouellette wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a great use case for Claw really. I'm sure ChatGPT can one shot a Python script to do this with yt-dlp and give you instructions on how to set it up as a service

I mean that’s sort of where I think this all will land. Use something like happy cli to connect to CC in a workspace directory where it can generate scripts, markdown files, and systemd unit files. I don’t see why you’d need more than that. That cuts 500k LoC from the stack and leverages a frontier tool like CC

Yeah that’s a good point. I use a fork of https://github.com/tiann/hapi with Tailscale for this very reason and it works well

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Post by harveynick »

titanomachy wrote: post #130
pvtmert wrote: post #100

Does one really need to _buy_ a completely new desktop hardware (ie. mac mini) to _run_ a simple request/response program? Excluding the fact that you can run LLMs via ollama or similar directly on the device, but that will not have a very good token/s speed as far as I can guess...

I’m pretty sure people are using them for local inference. Token rates can be acceptable if you max out the specs. If it was just the harness, they’d use a $20 raspberry pi instead.

It is just for the harness. Using a Mac Mini gives you direct access to Apple services, but also means you can use AppleScript / Apple Events for automation. Being able to run a real (as in not-headless) browser unlocks a bunch of things which otherwise be blocked.

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Post by unixfg »

throw03172019 wrote: post #347

What are people using Claws for? It is interesting to see it everywhere but I haven’t had any good ideas for using them. Anyone to share their use case? Thanks!

My favorite use so far has been giving it a copy of my Calibre library. After having it write a few scripts and a skill, I can ask it questions about any book I’m reading.

This week I had it order a series internally chronological.

I could use the search on my Kindle or open Calibre myself, but a Signal message is much faster when it’s already got the SQLite file right there.

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