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I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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> The difference between EU and US is that it's possible to make all components in the US, using US equipment False. ASML is in the EU.

And the US does not need ASML. Europe could use ASML, but doesn't.

The US doesn't need ASML.

Right, ASML is so replaceable that the US forces the Dutch government to put export controls on some of their machines.

There's no substitute in the world for the top tier machines ASML makes.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Great post, and interesting setup - harkens to days of old, when this was simply how things were done in the first place - but one question that I have, apropos: >.. serve more than 10k - 100k requests/second which is good enough to serve a million customers. What is your network connectivity like for this setup? Presumably you operate in a building capable of giving you fiber, with a fixed IP, or something like that…

> Presumably you operate in a building capable of giving you fiber, with a fixed IP, or something like that? That is not really a rarity these days. I have symmetrical gigabit fibre with a fixed IP here in a Spanish farmhouse 45 minutes from the nearest population centre

Most of those business connections come with actual SLAs though that you don't have.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Isn't Codeberg only for Open Source ?

Github or other commercial alternatives aren’t for closed source either anymore. Putting closed source code on github is basically asking them to launder it through LLMs

This is kind of backwards .

GitHub's privacy statement [1] says > GitHub personnel does not access private repository information without your consent except as provided...

Do you have any evidence that private repos on GitHub are being used for training?

In the opposite case, if you have a public repo on GitHub then you should expect it to be laundered through LLMs :\

[1] https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/privacy-policies/gith...

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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The most technologically critical component of ASML's EUV lithography machines (the EUV light source) is designed, developed, and manufactured in California by Cymer.

And another extremely critical piece of technology is the mirror from Zeiss, which is not manufactured in the US.

Yep, absolutely true. ASML is a critical technology provider that both the US and EU are dependent on each other to maintain.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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post #341
post #308

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And the US does not need ASML. Europe could use ASML, but doesn't.

The US doesn't need ASML. Right, ASML is so replaceable that the US forces the Dutch government to put export controls on some of their machines. There's no substitute in the world for the top tier machines ASML makes.

> forces the Dutch government to put export controls on some of their machines

That's because the critical EUV light source technology is developed in California by a US-based subsidiary of ASML. The US and EU have mutual interest in protecting the technology and machines. If export control agreements were not in place then ASML would have never been permitted to acquire Cymer. And if they are not enforced then the US would almost certainly require ASML to sell Cymer back to US ownership, TikTok-style.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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How has your experience with Bunny been? I'm quite split on it. I used to work for a business in a pretty competitive area, where tactics like fake DMCA requests and abuse cases are routinely used to attempt to take down information, be it from Google, or from the CDN/hosting provider. While at first Bunny support seemed understanding of it, later they unceremoniously blocked the account on the basis of too many comp…

it's a super cheap "CDN" that runs on Hetzner and random hosts or their colo, it's not as proper as the other ones. for anything DMCA heavy maybe just buying dedicated servers or something instead could work?

they use datapacket/cdn77, no?

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Why do you need to move from Porkbun though? I don't get it.

Porkbun is based in Portland, Oregon, USA. I'm trying to move my infra to EU only stuff. It was fine when I lived near Bellevue, Washington. And I did live 30 years in the US but I want to divest myself from that shitshow.

Right, I guess it only makes a difference if you use their DNS? Otherwise, registrar being in US vs EU makes zero difference in terms of speed/latency etc. Is this just an ethical or political thing that you want to be out of USA?

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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post #142

Ehm sorry but no. Sovereignty means you own the stack not that you just choose other suppliers. Build on EU infra means owning a machine room with some servers, having fiber optic good enough for your traffic and that's is. What the author describe is just a supplier switch still owning next to nothing.

Perhaps the term is overloaded, and a better one would suffice, but the bigger point is to ensure that none of their infrastructure is under the purview of any US entity, public or private.

Are our institutions more "legal" or "reliable"? Honestly, it doesn't seem that way to me. Oh, let's be clear, the less I have to do with the GAFAM, the happier I am; Hetzner has shown itself to be a good company so far, as have several others, but if we don't start to understand what "ownership" means in the digital world, we'll never get out of the current sorry state of things.

The average Joe understands the concept of owning versus renting a physical good, whether it's a car or a fork, but in the digital realm, they think "if I see it on my screen, it's mine", they just can't grasp it. If we don't start teaching this, we won't be able to have a society built for digital sovereignty and technical rationality.

We'll keep having "communication services" that only talk to themselves, like WA, Slack, Discord, etc instead of those where everyone can talk to everyone else, from email to XMPP. Most people won't realise how absurd it is that WA only talks to WA, whereas even a basic telephone can call from any phone company to any other. Making people understand this is the foundation, which is currently missing even for many techies who get it because they have the knowledge, but only with a somewhat vague understanding, without really caring how to do things differently.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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I am still baffled.. compare a domain like .party or .parts between porkbun or your major US based providers and a EU based registrar of your choosing.... It's not pretty, at least it wasn't to me.

Porkbun has .party for $21.09 (bar the first year promotion, not sure about VAT) and INWX (DE, VAT included) has it 32.80€ . It is definitely more but not as scary as you made it sound.

It’s not all bad. I hope you don’t mind tooting my own horn. But there are providers who try to keep prices reasonable: https://domain.chief.app/pricing (disclaimer: this is mine)

I must say though that this (at this stage) is mostly only possible because a few (also Dutch) reseller titans that allow me to be affordable.

The cost of entry as registrar into ICANN TLDs is pretty high

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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I’m trying to do my part with Domain Chief. Becoming a registrar is pretty gnarly especially without very deep pockets (ICANN very expensive) but some great reseller companies (also Dutch) make it possible to enter the market.

I’m not perfect yet and tiny parts use Fly/Cloudflare (Anycast / Turnstile) and Stripe for payments but the core runs on own hardware in a Dutch datacenter provided by Dutch companies.

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