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Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by mrguyorama »

geertj wrote: post #166
tempestn wrote: post #135

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Based on the self driving trials in my Model Y, I find it terrifying that anyone trusts it to drive them around. It required multiple interventions in a single 10-minute drive last time I tried it.

How long ago was that? I doubt it was the v14 software. The software has become scary good in the last few weeks, in my own subjective experience.

This exact sentence (minus the specific version) is claimed every single week.

No, you do not "become scary good" every single week the past 10 years and yet still not be able to drive coast to coast all by itself (which Elon promised it would do a decade ago)

You are just human and bad at evaluating it. You might even be experiencing literal statistical noise.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by Rover222 »

jackvalentine wrote: post #25

I just ordered a 37,000AUD BYD, the "$25k (USD) car" that Elon used to promise was coming. Seems like I'm not the only one with 2779 BYD EVs sold in the country in January compared to just 501 Teslas.[1] [1] https://business.carsales.com.au/news-room/news/vfacts-janua...

The current model 3 is about $29k with inflation from 2017. They didn't quite hit the mark, but it's not like they're wildly off.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by xpl »

stackghost wrote: post #171
throwerxyz wrote: post #141

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There exists a huge amount of Musk derangement syndrome these days. Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers. There is not much wrong with him other than his online persona... which most normal people can ignore. He's probably more normal than any other business leader. What's weird is people lumping in some of Elon's actions with falls in Tesla sales as if he didn't: 1. Pred…

>Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers. The only thing he's great at is creating the illusion of genius. He didn't found Tesla, despite his title. He's not an engineer at SpaceX, despite his title. He spent 44 billion on Twitter which is most certainly losing money hand over fist. The Boring Company is a flop. Tesla is famously anything but a car company because their cars…

> Tesla is famously anything but a car company because their cars are mediocre in every way except the battery range

I can't say that I'm a big fan of this guy... But I can tell you this: I learned to drive only after moving to the U.S. recently, and when I had to choose my first car, I found Tesla to be the best among many I tried. It's just awesome, and I don't even use their FSD, the car itself is superb (at least the latest "3"). Minimalistic, no BS, drives well, quiet, comfortable. The same feeling I had with the first iPhone, compared to other phones.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by mrguyorama »

SirMaster wrote: post #322
jqpabc123 wrote: post #308

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Ask Musk why he refuses to provide details of accidents so we can make a judgment. Tesla’s own Vehicle Safety Report claims that the average US driver experiences a minor collision every 229,000 miles, meaning the robotaxi fleet is crashing four times more often even by the company’s own benchmark. https://www.automotiveworld.com/news/tesla-robotaxis-reporti...

I don't see how we could know the rate of US driver minor collisions like that. No way most people reporting 1-4mph "collisions" with things like this.

You don't have to know. You can fully remove the few "minor" accidents (that a self driving car shouldn't be doing ever anyway) and the Tesla still comes out worse than a statistical bucket that includes a staggering number of people who are currently driving drunk or high or reading a book

The car cannot be drunk or high. It can't be sleepy. It can't be distracted. It can't be worse at driving than any of the other cars. It can't get road rage. So why is it running into a stationary object at 17mph?

Worse, it's very very easy to take a human that crashes a lot and say "You actually shouldn't be on the road anymore" or at least their insurance becomes expensive. The system in all of these cars is identical. If one is hitting parked objects at 17mph, they would almost all do it.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by mcv »

beAbU wrote: post #267
maxbond wrote: post #151

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The market discounts future returns but it is unclear and shifting what proportion of those returns are from the operations of the company in the market it sells products in and what proportion comes from the operations of traders in financial markets. More plainly, traders discount returns from buybacks and dividends financed by the operations of the company and returns from selling their shares to "greater fools".…

What is it about FSD that results in this valuation though? If elon builds a time machine and goes to the future to get FSD tech from 100 years from now and rolls it out to all teslas tomorrow, what will change? Will every car driver get rid of their cars and get a tesla? Will that suddenly justify the stupid valuation? Realistically, I don't think the majority of drivers will care that much. Sure, their sales will g…

Exactly. It's meme stock. There's no rational explanation for this ridiculous valuation.

Tesla has been overvalued for a long time, and not by a bit either; they're worth more than the next several car makers put together, yet sell less cars than any of them. Their high valuation could still be considered defensible when they were the fastest growing car company in the world and the only one selling electric cars. But none of that is true; everybody is selling electric cars now, and BYD is selling more than Tesla, I think. And instead of growing, Tesla is now shrinking in many markets. Even their self driving is not the best.

The share price should have collapsed, yet it remains high. How? It makes no sense to me.

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Post by plugger »

Rodeoclash wrote: post #206
plugger wrote: post #179

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You're definitely not alone! I just took delivery of a new BYD Shark 6 on Monday. It's amazing and I paid $41k USD ($57,900 AUD) for it. Before that was available I was planning on punting on a used Hilux. I'm charging my Shark right now and I couldn't be happier. I expect my fuel bill (it's a PHEV) to drop by 70-80% when compared to the 2010 Commodore wagon I was driving last week.

Congrats on your upgrade from bogan to neuvo-bogan ;) (I kid, I also drive a byd, ATTO though rather than shark)

Thank you! I'm in WA, so in some respects if I'm not driving a landie or hilux my bogan creds are still somewhat lacking, but at least I'm looking down on Ranger drivers now lol.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by 6510 »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #313
throwawayffffas wrote: post #252

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The US version is all boston dynamics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNorxwlZlFk&t=9s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeeiN9smjjY

Unitree is doing everything Boston Dynamics is doing and more without a physical safety barrier between the robots and the humans.

Perhaps but but it doesn't matter. They have better production capabilities and more experience with drone swarms.

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Post by throwerxyz »

Tarq0n wrote: post #187
throwerxyz wrote: post #148

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I'm surprised people are forgetting that the person who predicted the coming wars against his personality was himself. He basically told everyone what was coming... then it came and people still fell for it. Elon is a loser socially and that's about it.

DOGE and the nazi sale happened. That's not just problematic social media posting.

DOGE promised the world and delivered small wins. The normal politician does this and does not deliver a single win.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by throwerxyz »

stackghost wrote: post #171
throwerxyz wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There exists a huge amount of Musk derangement syndrome these days. Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers. There is not much wrong with him other than his online persona... which most normal people can ignore. He's probably more normal than any other business leader. What's weird is people lumping in some of Elon's actions with falls in Tesla sales as if he didn't: 1. Pred…

>Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers. The only thing he's great at is creating the illusion of genius. He didn't found Tesla, despite his title. He's not an engineer at SpaceX, despite his title. He spent 44 billion on Twitter which is most certainly losing money hand over fist. The Boring Company is a flop. Tesla is famously anything but a car company because their cars…

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Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by throwerxyz »

tsimionescu wrote: post #165
throwerxyz wrote: post #141

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There exists a huge amount of Musk derangement syndrome these days. Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers. There is not much wrong with him other than his online persona... which most normal people can ignore. He's probably more normal than any other business leader. What's weird is people lumping in some of Elon's actions with falls in Tesla sales as if he didn't: 1. Pred…

Elon Musk is a fascist sympathizer who is currently being investigated in at least one European country for election interference, a known lier who has promised level 5 self driving by the end of the year every year since 2018 or so, landing people on Mars by next year since 2022, Tesla electric truck cheaper than rail, "today", in 2020, and many others.

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