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Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Post by 542354234235 »

badpenny wrote: post #336
echelon_musk wrote: post #294

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Having rewatched that movie recently I found it absurd that all the killer would have had to have done to evade capture was purchase books with cash.

Slight digression and spoiler alert, but, IIRC, wasn't it a significant part of the plot that he wanted to be caught?

I'm going off memory, but I thought the library books led them to John Doe's apartment, something he was not planning for, and required him to change his plans somewhat. He did want to be caught, but not that soon, before he had finished his work, and required a hurried escape.

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Post by 542354234235 »

mrob wrote: post #142
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #90

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It's said that Starship Troopers failed to do as well in USA because people thought it was pro-fascist propaganda ... it doesn't seem possible that could genuinely be the case.

Starship Troopers (the movie) is a terrible example of satire because it fails to show anything substantially bad. When you present a society that's more ethical than real life, nobody's going to care if some people wear uniforms that look a bit like Nazi uniforms. There is a genuine existential risk, and it's addressed in the best way possible. Military slavery ("conscription") is more evil than disenfranchisement,…

>There is a genuine existential risk

The Mormon missionaries settled on a bug planet. Human's attempting to colonize worlds already inhabited and getting killed is not an existential risk or threat. Choosing to go and exterminate the local population in response is not defense.

Assuming the Buenos Aires attack is from the bugs, it only happened after humans invaded multiple bug worlds. Since the bugs never seem to attempt to invade any human worlds, peace could have happened by just leaving the bugs alone and not attempting to take worlds from them. Paul Verhoeven grew up during WWII, so the idea of fascists exterminating the native population to make room, or Lebensraum, isn’t exactly a crazy idea.

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Post by i_love_retros »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #55
i_love_retros wrote: post #50

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Bullshit to you sir. I have a ring and have cancelled my subscription because of their scummy behavior

Thank you for that. But please consider taking down the camera, too; it's just as much of a problem without a subscription, because you are the service being sold, not just the customer. Get one that stores and processes video entirely locally instead.

Can they still see through my camera if I have removed the location from my account?

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Post by gadders »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #339
gadders wrote: post #310

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It's mad that people actually side with the aliens.

Next they'll be expecting sentient lifeforms to be given rights! Madness!!

Yes! It's important that we give an alien murderous swarm that wants to destroy humanity full access to legal counsel.

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Post by gorjusborg »

alex43578 wrote: post #328
duskdozer wrote: post #277

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>legally allowed People aren't arguing about what the law states.

"Recording their neighbors without their consent" implies that consent was ever expected or required. You're walking down a public street and have no expectation of privacy in the US, and correspondingly 0 legal or even "ethical" recourse.

First, in the U.S., privacy laws vary by state, so the blanket statement about 'the US' is incorrect.

Second, laws are made by people. The fact that many of us do not want to be recorded 24/7 is why it is worth discussing.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #337
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #327

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I had no idea that people seriously think that the film isn't satire - I thought it was just people who had barely paid attention to it and weren't really giving it much thought that didn't spot the satirical elements throughout the film. They're even wearing fascist style uniforms and all the commercials are so over-the-top. Maybe part of it is due to how it was promoted - in the UK, it was promoted as satire, but I…

> They're even wearing fascist style uniforms and all the commercials are so over-the-top The big clue to me is when they visit the recruiter. The man is sitting at a desk and says something along the lines of "the galactic marines made me the man I am today", only for him to push back and reveal he's lost both his legs. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mLt-lDOzD1k

The recruiter also has a metal, presumably replaced arm as well.

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Post by tencentshill »

sandworm101 wrote: post #60
RankingMember wrote: post #47

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I knew plenty of people growing up who thought Fight Club was just a fun movie about guys who like to fight and make a club to do so and it gets a little crazy, then cut to credits. They then theorized making their own such club. This to say, yeah, I think sometimes the audience can be overestimated in their ability to understand deeper meaning in art.

And some extreemist are using fight clubs to gather followers, emulating the movie in the other direction. So-called "active clubs" are springing up using "fitness" to gather young angry males to the cause. Most join without realizing. Even gym owners are surprised to discover thier facilities have become clubhouses. https://www.jfed.net/antisemitismtoolsandresources/neo-nazi-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_…

Also see: The Art of Self Defense

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Post by Amezarak »

slg wrote: post #29
mjr00 wrote: post #20

The Dark Knight was released in 2008. In that movie, Batman hijacks citizens' cellphones to track down the Joker, and it's presented as a major moral and ethical dilemma as part of the movie's overall themes. The only way Batman remains a "good guy" in the eyes of the audience is by destroying the entire thing once he's done. Crazy to think that less than two decades later, an even more powerful surveillance technolo…

It's hard to not become disillusioned with our industry when most of it is just the manifesting of that Torment Nexus tweet. It's like no one in the tech world actually understands any piece of fiction that they have ever consumed.

It’s important to note that fiction does not map to reality. It’s fiction. You cannot learn how the world works through fiction. It’s just the author’s ideas about the world in a narrative framework that may or may not be true.

I find it very frustrating when people confuse the two. Reading fiction doesn’t give you an interpretive lens for reality. Reading history does. Saying this is “just like when in Harry Potter / Star Wars / Star Trek x happened” is totally meaningless and not predictive of anything in the real world.

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Post by nullc »

jedberg wrote: post #61
bradley13 wrote: post #58

Recording public spaces should be illegal. Public street? Public sidewalk? Not your turf, no cameras, no recording.

I'm not sure you've thought this through. That would mean you can't record law enforcement or any other abuse of power. The issue here isn't the recording, it's the packaging it up for sale that's the issue.

I've given a bit of thought on this, and I think the best path might be civil liability for the privacy loss-- defined broadly. Private security camera that never goes anywhere? You're fine. Start posting that same footage online where it results in people being massively tracked: big liability.

I think otherwise it's too difficult to define the exact boundary between harmful and harmless use-- instead it's better to say that if your use harms someone you'll regret it.

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