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Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number
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#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't have all of the details about what the person in the article did or did not do. How is your advice supposed to actually pertain to insulating against federal mistreatment, then? Contextually it reads like a series of accusations, which the parent is calling you out on.
We don't know this is mistreatment . It's not wrong for the government to subpoena data to investigate a crime.
>We don't know this is mistreatment. It's not wrong for the government to subpoena data to investigate a crime.
To which specific "crime" are you referring?
From TFA[0]:
Amandla Thomas-Johnson had attended a protest targeting companies that
supplied weapons to Israel at a Cornell University job fair in 2024 for all
of five minutes, but the action got him banned from campus.
[0] https://theintercept.com/2026/02/10/google-ice-subpoena-stud...
Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number
#343I left google search for duckduckgo a few years ago due to all the marketing drivel returned. I guess there is yet another, better reason, to avoid google. As for gmail, it joined my old yahoo mail as a dumping ground. If some site wants an email, they get my gmail address, which I never go to these days. But how did google get this person's info ? Are they spying on their emails, or worse yet, are they scraping data…
What do you think is going to happen when DDG or Fastmail gets a FISA warrant? You think they will stand their ground and go to prison to protect your info? History (like the PRISM project) says no.
>What do you think is going to happen when DDG or Fastmail gets a FISA warrant? You think they will stand their ground and go to prison to protect your info?
I don't know about Fastmail, but according to DuckDuckGo[0]:
Does DuckDuckGo share my search and browsing history with governments?
No. Per our strict Privacy Policy[1]:
"Critically, it's not possible for us to provide search or browsing histories
linked to you in response to legal requests because we don't have them."
"We don’t save or share your search or browsing history when you search on
DuckDuckGo or use our apps and extensions."
Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number
#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't use products from large US tech companies? Apple has a slightly better track record than Google of fighting this stuff, but ultimately if you're using a product from a US tech company then it's likely ICE can get their grubby little mitts on everything that company knows about you
> Don't use products from large US tech companies? What does large have to do with it? Why do you think smaller companies are any more likely to resist? If anything, they have even less resources to go to court. And why do you think other countries are any better? If you use a French provider, and they get a French judicial requisition or letters rogatory, then do you think the outcome is going to be any different? I…
> Why do you think smaller companies are any more likely to resist? If anything, they have even less resources to go to court
Somehow smaller companies do resiste much more. Examples: Lavabit refused to expose Snowden, Purism offers SIM-cards protecting you from tracking ("AweSIM").
Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number
#345Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Don't use products from large US tech companies? What does large have to do with it? Why do you think smaller companies are any more likely to resist? If anything, they have even less resources to go to court. And why do you think other countries are any better? If you use a French provider, and they get a French judicial requisition or letters rogatory, then do you think the outcome is going to be any different? I…
> Why do you think smaller companies are any more likely to resist? If anything, they have even less resources to go to court Somehow smaller companies do resiste much more. Examples: Lavabit refused to expose Snowden, Purism offers SIM-cards protecting you from tracking ("AweSIM").
No, some smaller companies do. Plenty don't at all. Apple is a gigantic company and known for being super privacy focused, keeping your information encrypted to protect it from governments wherever they can.
So what makes you think size has any relevance here?
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#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s definitely been variability in how far government agencies have been pushing under this administration. It’s going to get interesting if the next Democrat in the white house takes similar steps based on current precedent. That would hopefully result in long term reforms, but we might just be heading to civil war regardless.
> The problem I was listening to a historian discuss the other day is that we're stuck in a cycle of: > 1. Republican breaks norms/laws > 2. Democrat cleans up after, but by not breaking norms, doesn't go far enough to actually undo all the damage > 3. We end up with a more broken governmental configuration, and head back to (1) > They said this pattern goes back to Nixon. This is set to continue, else they wouldn't…
It's called the ratchet effect, and it has been extremely obvious since at least Obama.
In recent years it's become far worse again.
Continuing a $20 trillion war on terror. Torturing people. Smearing whistleblowers. Killing millions with sanctions. Arming genocide and vetoing ceasefires. Keeping millions of files with details of the most horrific crimes imaginable sealed, while the perpetrators hang out on islands and buy politicians... Etc... All bipartisan, with very little dissent within one party and none at all in the other.
Those things are so, so far beyond "not breaking norms".
> This is set to continue, else they wouldn't be pushing for Newsom.
Most of the very farthest left politicians in the Democratic party tried to tell us that Biden was working tirelessly for a ceasefire. I don't know how they managed to say that with a straight face after watching him veto 4 UN ceasefires, but they did.
And all the media covered for it, acting like the massive protests were just a few miseducated antisemites, like Hillary said.
Yeah. This is set to continue. Voting blue down the line isn't going to get it done, I'm afraid.
Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number
#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
We don't know this is mistreatment . It's not wrong for the government to subpoena data to investigate a crime.
>We don't know this is mistreatment. It's not wrong for the government to subpoena data to investigate a crime. To which specific "crime" are you referring? From TFA[0]: Amandla Thomas-Johnson had attended a protest targeting companies that supplied weapons to Israel at a Cornell University job fair in 2024 for all of five minutes, but the action got him banned from campus. I didn't realize that attending a protest w…
I'm not familiar with the full details of the investigation.
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#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
It reflects even worse on Google for vacuuming up and keeping the data. They can’t really refuse to hand over the data, but they could purge and stop collecting identifying data on Americans. As is, they are tacitly complicit by collecting data they know will be used against protesters.
> they could purge and stop collecting identifying data on Americans. That's their entire business model though...
Their business model is ads, which doesn’t inherently require storing information the government would want. Some of that data probably isn’t useful in that space, others might reduce efficacy by a tiny margin but it wouldn’t shut them down.
Eg I can’t think of a reason why they’d need to store your exact location. Do people target ads down to a precise GPS location, or even a street? I can’t imagine they need things more granular than a ZIP code.
That also doesn’t absolve them of supporting autocracy. The difference between the morally upright and the morally bankrupt is what they do when doing the right thing will cost them, not what they do when the right thing is free.
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#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why even consider violent civil war a possible outcome when we can redirect to peaceful separation instead, before more innocent life is lost? Human life is more important than federal supremacy. The adults in the room need to reject the immature tendency towards violence even if we're to decide that we can no longer live together as "one nation".
Splitting up the country to avoid a bloody civil war? Are you serious? The first thing that happens if California secedes is California's ports will be blockaded by US warships. And it's going downhill quickly from there. This administration would love nothing more than justification to lock up every citizen left-of-right-wing, or just exterminate them outright. They have been demonizing liberals for years as child m…
It goes both ways with plenty of people on the left talking about "re-education" camps for conservatives around the 2020-2021 timeframe.
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#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
And I'm getting tired of these comments that normalize the awfulness of the past. We can be pragmatic in recognizing that "our guys" also did bad things. Less bad than awful is still bad. If we choose not to recognize our own foibles then we just fall down our old patterns of "it's someone else's problem". Because otherwise, better than what we have now is an abysmal target and we should aim for better.
> We can be pragmatic in recognizing that "our guys" also did bad things What do you mean "our guys" ? I don't have guys. I consider myself a libertarian, was both sidesing up until June of 2020, and had never voted for a major party in a national election until 2020 when I voted for Biden - which I view as me getting older and more conservative - aka valuing our societal institutions and values after seeing how much…
> I still think it is foolish to write off the current administration as if it's just another iteration of back and forth corruption
You are deeply, deeply misunderstanding my point if this is what you got from my post.
"Our guys" was tongue in cheek.