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Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by eleventyseven »

nbaksalyar wrote: post #332
mancerayder wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you get bored with spending many years learning and becoming advanced or an expert in a system paradigm (like different hosting systems), a programming language (i.e. Perl), or a framework (pick your JS framework), only to have it completely obsoleted a few years later? And then in a job interview, when you try to sell yourself on your wisdom as expert on thing X, new to Y, they dismiss you because the 25 year…

> only to have it completely obsoleted a few years later Not really. There aren’t as many fundamentally new ideas in modern tech as it may seem. Web servers have existed for more than 30 years and haven’t changed that much since then. Or e.g., React + Redux is pretty much the same thing as WinProc from WinAPI - invented some time in ~1990. Before Docker, there were Solaris Zones and FreeBSD jails. TCP/IP is 50 years…

> React + Redux is pretty much the same thing as WinProc from WinAPI

I can't tell if this is sincere or parody, it is so insufferably wrong. Good troll. I almost bit.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by yencabulator »

throwaw12 wrote: post #169
Maxion wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of more senior coders when they actively try vibe coding a greenfield project find that it does actually work. But only for the first ~10kloc. After that the AI, no matter how well you try to prompt it, will start to destroy existing features accidentally, will add unnecessary convoluted logic to the code, will leave benhind dead code, add random traces "for backwards compatibility", will avoid doing the correc…

> only for the first ~10kloc. After that the AI, no matter how well you try to prompt it, will start to destroy existing features accidentally I am using them in projects with >100kloc, this is not my experience. at the moment, I am babysitting for any kloc, but I am sure they will get better and better.

Meanwhile, in the grandparent comment:

> Somehow 90% of these posts don't actually link to the amazing projects that their author is supposedly building with AI.

You are in the 90%.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by ineedasername »

>I used to have way too many ideas but no way to build them all on my own—they just kept piling up. But now, everything is different.

This has been a significant aspect of ai use as well. As a result a feel a little less friction with myself, less that I am letting things slip by because, well, because I still want a nice balance to work, life, leisure, etc. I don’t want to overstate things, it’s not a cure all for any of these things, but it helps a lot.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by josiahpeters »

yusufnb wrote: post #329
aeldidi wrote: post #298

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…

At my work I interview a lot of fresh grads and interns. I have been doing that consistently for last 4 years. During the interviews I always ask the candidates to show and tell, share their screen and talk about their projects and work at school and other internships. Since last few months, I have seen a notable difference in the quality and extent of projects these students have been able to accomplish. Every proje…

I’ve had the same experience with the recent batch of candidates for a Junior Software Engineer position we just filled. Their projects looked impressive on the surface and seemed very promising.

Once we got them into a technical screening, most fell apart writing code. Our problem was simple: using your preferred programming language, model a shopping cart object that has the ability to add and remove items from the cart and track the cart total.

We were shocked by how incapable most candidates were in writing simple code without their IDEs tab completion capability. We even told them to use whatever resources they normally used.

The whole experience left us a little surprised.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by christophilus »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #317
RealityVoid wrote: post #302

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You're not going crazy. That is what I see as well. But, I do think there is value in: - driving the LLM instead of doing it yourself. - sometimes I just can't get the activation energy and the LLM is always ready to go so it gives me a kickstart - doing things you normally don't know. I learned a lot of command like tools and trucks by seeing what Claude does. Doing short scripts for stuff is super useful. Of course…

For me the biggest benefit from using LLMs is that I feel way more motivated to try new tools because I don't have to worry about the initial setup. I'd previously encountered tools that seemed interesting, but as soon as I tried getting it to run I found myself going down an infinite debugging hole. With an LLM I can usually explain my system's constraints and the best models will give me a working setup from which…

Same. This weekend, I built a Flutter app and a Wails app just to compare the two. Would have never done either on my own due to the up front boilerplate— and not knowing (nor really wishing to know) Dart.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by hawkernews »

aeldidi wrote: post #298

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…

I remember when Anthropic was running their Built with Claude contest on reddit. The submissions were few and let's just say less than impressive. I use Claude Code and am very pro-AI in general, but the deeper you go, the more glaring the limitations become. I could write an essay about it, but I feel like there's no point in this day and age, where floods of slop in fractured echo chambers dominate.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by madeofpalk »

sejje wrote: post #109
madeofpalk wrote: post #60

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I think this shows an unfettered optimism for things we don't know anything about. Many see this as a red flag for the quality of opinions. > R1 is definitely an upgraded replacement for smartphones. It’s versatile and fulfills all everyday requirements, with an interaction style akin to talking to a human. You seemed pretty certain about how the product worked!

No, he seemed pretty certain about how they demoed it. We're allowed to have opinions about promises that turn out not to be true. If the rabbit had been what it claimed it would be, it would have been an obvious upgrade for me, at least. I just want a voice-first interface.

In 2024 we should not be taking companies claims of what products do at face value. We should judge the thing that ships.

The most charitable thing you can say about this is they're naive, ignorant of the history of vapourware 'demoed' at trade shows.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by i-blis »

mancerayder wrote: post #206
i-blis wrote: post #165

I have always failed to understand the obsessive dream of many engineers to become managers. It seems not to have to do merely with an increase in revenue. Is it really to escape from "getting bogged down in the specifics" and being able to "focus on the higher-level, abstract work", to quote OP's words? I thought naively that engineering always has been about dealing with the specifics and the joy of problem solving…

Don't you get bored with spending many years learning and becoming advanced or an expert in a system paradigm (like different hosting systems), a programming language (i.e. Perl), or a framework (pick your JS framework), only to have it completely obsoleted a few years later? And then in a job interview, when you try to sell yourself on your wisdom as expert on thing X, new to Y, they dismiss you because the 25 year…

You might be right about a Leetcode effect and the difficulty to find new interesting positions. But OP wasn't stressing that at all but the desire to architect and manage. I might have put to much emphasis of the managing and too less on the urge to architect and see things from above. I agree.

I am scientist and worked from time to time as a research engineer merely to pay the bills, so I may see things differently. I always like doing lab / field work and first-hand data analysis. Many engineers I know would likely never stop tinkering and building stuff. It may be easier for a scientist than for an engineer to still get trilled, I don't know.

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