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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by hkpack »

xoxolian wrote: post #316
niemandhier wrote: post #227

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Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence. Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.…

> We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Interesting point. There's a top gangster who can buy anything in the prison commissary; and then there's the warden.

No, state decides on the rules of the game any business is playing by.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by andrewflnr »

alex1138 wrote: post #284
chihuahua wrote: post #282

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He was only going to the island to get rid of bots on Twitter. Just like OJ spent the rest of his life looking for the real killer.

It's timestamped like 2013, I think. Years before he bought Twitter (yes, I know you're joking)

He was planning way ahead, like a real genius.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by preisschild »

lowkey_ wrote: post #157
SilverElfin wrote: post #93

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> The child abuse feels like a smaller problem compared to that risk. I think we can and should all agree that child sexual abuse is a much larger and more serious problem than political leanings. It's ironic as you're commenting about a social media platform, but I think it's frightening what social media has done to us with misinformation, vilification, and echo chambers, to think political leanings are worse than…

Those innocent "political leanings" get people killed. See the ICE killings in Minneapolis.

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Post by Uhhrrr »

antiframe wrote: post #319
Uhhrrr wrote: post #294

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I was surprised by your claim that Wikipedia would categorize mild restrictions on immigration as an element of far-right politics, so I read that article to see it for myself. I didn't see anything about mild restrictions. Would you care to point out where you saw that?

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by jjkaczor »

yodsanklai wrote: post #333
alex1138 wrote: post #257

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Elon is literally in the files, talking about going to the island. It's documented

Who knows who did what on this island, and I hope we'll figure it out. But in the meantime, going to this island or/and being friend with Epstein doesn't automatically make someone a pedo or rapist.

Neither does your wife divorcing you at about the same time things started to go through legal process...

Oops... yeah, in retrospect it was even worse... no... you can and should be judged by the friends you keep and hang-out with... The same ones who seem to be circling the wagons with innocuous statements or attempts to find other scapegoats (DARVO)... hmm, what was that quote again:

"We must all hang together or we will all hang separately"

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by kitsune1 »

niemandhier wrote: post #253
hn_go_brrrrr wrote: post #225

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What a strange assumption. The training is "summon the lawyers immediately", "ensure they're accompanied at all times while on company premises", etc.

That can start with self deleting messages if you are under court order, and has happens before: “Google intended to subvert the discovery process, and that Chat evidence was ‘lost with the intent to prevent its use in litigation’ and ‘with the intent to deprive another party of the information’s use in the litigation.’” https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.37... VW is another case where similar…

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Post by gf000 »

trcarney wrote: post #290
Bender wrote: post #95

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In my opinion I think the reason they raided the offices for CSAM would be there are laws on the books for CSAM and not for social manipulation. If people could be jailed for manipulation there would be no social media platforms, lobbyists, political campaign groups or advertisements. People are already being manipulated by AI. On a related note given AI is just a tool and requires someone to tell it to make CSAM I t…

hold on, are you saying that you should be able to be jailed for manipulation? Where would that end? could i be jailed if i post a review for a restaurant if you feel it manipulated you? or anyone stating an opinion could be construed as manipulation. that is beyond a slippery slope, that is an authoritarian nightmare.

So you think writing a review is somehow on the same magnitude as social media platforms with 300 million-3 billion users?

And how is that different from TV channels/media en large having laws to abide by? Slippery slope arguments are themselves slippery slopes..

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by kshacker »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #273
niemandhier wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence. Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.…

> We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. I remember something (probably linked from here), where the essayist was comparing Jack Ma, one of the richest men on earth, and Xi Jinping, a much lower-paid individual. They indicated that Xi got Ma into a chokehold. I think he "disappeared" Ma for some time. Don't remember exactly how long, but it may have been over a year.

From what I hear, Ma made 1 speech critical of the government and Xi showed him his place. It was a few years, a year of total disappearance followed by slow rehab.

But China is different. Not sure most of western europe will go that far in most cases.

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Post by cm2187 »

beart wrote: post #132
stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Offline syncing of outlook could reveal a lot of emails that would otherwise be on a foreign server. A lot of people save copies of documents locally as well.

Most enterprises have fully encrypted workstations, when they don't use VM where the desktop is just a thin client that doesn't store any data. So there should be really nothing of interest in the office itself.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by jjkaczor »

lingrush4 wrote: post #170
lowkey_ wrote: post #157

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> The child abuse feels like a smaller problem compared to that risk. I think we can and should all agree that child sexual abuse is a much larger and more serious problem than political leanings. It's ironic as you're commenting about a social media platform, but I think it's frightening what social media has done to us with misinformation, vilification, and echo chambers, to think political leanings are worse than…

In fairness, AI-generated CSAM is nowhere near as evil as real CSAM. The reason why possession of CSAM was such a serious crime is because its creation used to necessitate the abuse of a child. It's pretty obvious the French are deliberately conflating the two to justify attacking a political dissident.

It may not be worse "objectively" and in direct harm.

However - it has one big problem that is rarely discussed... Normalizing of behaviour, interests and attitudes. It just becomes a thing that Grok can do - for paid accounts, and people think - ok, "no harm, no problem"... Long-term, there will be harm. This has been demonstrated over decades of investigation of CSAM.

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