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Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by babypuncher »

tracker1 wrote: post #245
hbn wrote: post #209

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God I hope Valve gets serious with Steam OS and it becomes a competitive target for PC games. They're making amazing progress with the Steam Deck, and I'm so ready to be free from Windows.

Is there something wrong with the many distros that make Steam a really easy install, or in the box? I mean Bazzite literally has a FS Steam option in the box for installers that's pretty close to the Steam OS experience with broader hardware support.

SteamOS is actively shipping on consumer hardware today, that's the real major difference here. People who don't even know how to install their own operating system are using it.

There isn't a downside to these other distros like Bazzite.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by jdkfkgkkdbkd »

tapoxi wrote: post #303
pjmlp wrote: post #211

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Just like for OS/2, what a great success it was.

It's a different situation, OS/2 was significantly more expensive than Windows, Linux is free.

os/2 2.1 was free during some periods in the 90s, I and several friends got it just for the free floppies. Though none of us paid for windows either, I guess it was free as well.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by tracker1 »

hbn wrote: post #271
tracker1 wrote: post #245

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Is there something wrong with the many distros that make Steam a really easy install, or in the box? I mean Bazzite literally has a FS Steam option in the box for installers that's pretty close to the Steam OS experience with broader hardware support.

I'm trying to word this without sounding dismissive of Bazzite for simply not being from a big company with money to throw around. I'm sure the people making it are doing great work. But I just don't get the feeling it's anywhere near the position it needs to be a "real platform" that could disrupt Windows. It has to be looked at from the perspective of publishers, and whether it's worth their money to target a new p…

The PLATFFORM from a game publisher's perspective is still going to be Steam/Proton on Linux... More likely than not, it's all still mostly going to be Win32/64, but with improved Proton testing/targetting... this will be for SteamOS or Steam on other Linux distros... it's the same.

From your perspective you aren't waiting around for "completion" ... in terms of scope, most of it is built on efforts from Fedora/Redhat with enough customization to make it friendlier to gamers. Linux distros aren't like Windows, they share a lot and are largely interoperable or compatible with a few major camps.

But very little of this affects what will happen with games. Your experience with Steam on pretty much any Linux distro is likely to be as good or better than Steam on SteamOS.

Edit: to clarify, there are differences between Linux distros... but the fact is, that Steam on pretty much any modern/updated distro will be a very similar experience wether it's "SteamOS" or something else that you aren't having to wait around for. For that matter, you can put together a current AMD system with up to a 9070XT and run SteamOS today, the hardware is supported and you don't actually have to wait for it if you don't want to. You may find the experience better with a desktop distro, if you plan on using it more or as much of a desktop as game platform. And more so if you want to run a non-amd GPU.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by rtpg »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #250
emsign wrote: post #14

I'm very hopeful that Linux gaming will save the open PC desktop despite big tech is coming to destroy it. Or at least keep PCs alive for another decade. Gamers are still a huge factor as hardware customers. GOG creating a Linux launcher and Steam Box with SteamOS coming out soon should benefit PC users in general not just gamers since Microslop sees Windows like a social experiment where they can test AI on unsuspec…

I also feel like this is an insane opportunity for companies who previously did not offer Linux native clients to start doing so and see some of a hike in sales specifically coming from the Linux crowd. I would absolutely pay good money for high quality Linux compatible software, after all, its not free as in free beer. I am still surprised most Linux Distros haven't changed their package managers to allow for sellin…

> I am still surprised most Linux Distros haven't changed their package managers to allow for selling of proprietary solutions directly, fully opt-in by default of course.

It's not "zero cost" but plenty of proprietary software with native linux clients will do things like set up Ubuntu package repos. You're pasting a handful of lines in the command line (or for the fancier stuff downloading the isntaller that does that for you) and you're off to the races

There might be a boutique business that could help with installer/package repo mgmt for people wanting to ship linux clients and take advantage of the auto-updaters and the like. Maybe.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by jdkfkgkkdbkd »

ewzimm wrote: post #206
ecshafer wrote: post #180

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Targeting DirectX and Win32 has become targeting Linux with how good Wine/Proton have gotten. I am able to play brand new games with no Linux support absolutely perfectly through proton. These games run better than games that had linux support actually ran on linux.

Ironically, Win32 has sometimes become more universal than native Linux binaries. For example, Baldur's Gate 3 released a native Linux version only supported on the Steam Deck, whereas the Proton version is verified for Linux almost everywhere. Win32 became the stable Linux gaming ABI.

Same with warhammer, where the developers are claimed to make an actual effort to support Linux with native binaries, but the windows version are more stable than the native Linux version. Ironically.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by jdkfkgkkdbkd »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #306
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #203

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Linux is both the name for the kernel and the full operating system.

Linux is definitely not a "full operating system." Here's Linux built on GitHub Actions, with Grub[1], and you can't do anything with it. I include a reference init that does nothing, per kernel.org. 17.8 MB image. GNU is by every practical measure, everything else. People memed on Stallman for the whole GNU/Linux naming, but he's basically right. There's also Android/Linux, that another user mentioned, and some dist…

Nobody cares! ”Linux” is used as a name of the OS.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #250
emsign wrote: post #14

I'm very hopeful that Linux gaming will save the open PC desktop despite big tech is coming to destroy it. Or at least keep PCs alive for another decade. Gamers are still a huge factor as hardware customers. GOG creating a Linux launcher and Steam Box with SteamOS coming out soon should benefit PC users in general not just gamers since Microslop sees Windows like a social experiment where they can test AI on unsuspec…

I also feel like this is an insane opportunity for companies who previously did not offer Linux native clients to start doing so and see some of a hike in sales specifically coming from the Linux crowd. I would absolutely pay good money for high quality Linux compatible software, after all, its not free as in free beer. I am still surprised most Linux Distros haven't changed their package managers to allow for sellin…

> I would absolutely pay good money for high quality Linux compatible software, after all, its not free as in free beer.

What software are you looking for?

About the only thing seriously lacking is a proper competitor for Photoshop and Illustrator, really.

Re: GOG: Linux "the next major frontier" for gaming as it works on a native client

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Post by 1718627440 »

1718627440 wrote: post #320
1718627440 wrote: post #297

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proprietary != commercial You can have free commercial software, and proprietary shareware, the opposites are oxymorons.

Thanks, for downvoting pointing to definitions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software https://mako.cc/talks/20031106-nten/foil06.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.en.html

Oh common guys, can you at least start a discussion, why you think proprietary and commercial software should be regarded as the same, or something?
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