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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by boelboel »

cael450 wrote: post #224
mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

This information is all over American social media... Even the article references that Megan Stalter posted her videos on Instagram.

A lot of American propaganda hasn't been about strict censorship (as in making it strictly impossible to find out about things). It's about shifting the narrative enough. Most people have been made lazy enough to the point they don't read anything, certainly not fringe opinions. As long as people get their Mcdonalds, Soda and TV they won't do much.

I don't think the original intent of the tiktok sale was about censorship as much as it was about the chinese not allowing american platforms in china. Doesn't change that they're trying to use it to its 'fullest'.

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

lostlogin wrote: post #263
1over137 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is not publicly espousing conquering Canada and Greenland (Europe). Who would you choose, the people threatening to invade you, or the other guys?!?!

China is threatening invade other places, which are of more value to them.

It would not surprise me in the least to discover that China is the true source of the current internal attack on the US, and Russia is a cut out.

It would be efficient for China to have Russia undermine the US while Russia also weakens itself.

China has made huge inroads in Africa, which gives it access to essential metals and other raw materials, and also puts it in a strong position diplomatically.

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Post by mock-possum »

mindtricks wrote: post #269
lenerdenator wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Case-in-point of why we shouldn't have approached China like we did over the last few decades. It normalized totalitarianism in some segments of Western society.

I lived in China as an American a while back and had a similar take. Their ability to grow successfully and manage their populace definitely presented a new model to a lot of countries.

What does their treatment of the Uyghurs present to other countries?

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Post by infecto »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #315
lolc wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my read you said something different from what OP said. They voiced that there was a wiping of preference that was noticeable, where you said "it does this all the time." Sure both can describe the same thing, but they don't have to be. Why double down instead of accepting that this time it might be different?

Because this exact conspiracy has been going on since the elections for 2020. And it's well known and documented. Are you essentially asking me why I wouldn't encouFrage a conspiracy theory based on the anecdote of someone who says they hardly use the platform they are suggesting is forcing propaganda/censorship on them? There are polarizing events getting more coverage right now, by far, than anything else in the US…

> There are polarizing events getting more coverage right now, by far, than anything else in the USA, and HN user infecto is subscribing to the idea that the algorithm isn't going to try to check if these important ongoing events interest them.

No conspiracy theory here. Long time user of TikTok. The sometimes part is that I am not hooked on it but I do use its regularly. I started using it after being a user on Douyin.

Like I already said I have no input on the censorship but just anecdotally to me something’s dis change that was out of the norm for my usage that I never experienced before. If you want to say that’s normal ok but I am suggesting it was out of the norm as a long long time user.

Not sure why you are lumping me with a conspiracy theory just sharing a datapoint that something did change weather on purpose or not.

Sorry to offend you but please don’t misread and lump me into a conspiracy! I explicitly said I had no opinion or datapoint on the censorship but there was a massive change in the feed. Wild how many hoops you are jumping through here. You continue to call out my own experience as wrong and now pump me into a conspiracy theorist. Nutty.

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Post by ndkap »

TikTok easily bends over backwards authoritarian government. In Nepal, during the GenZ protest, TikTok disabled the search for "NepoBabies" which is the term people used for the affluent lifestyle of leaders' children and which was why the GenZ protest happened. Every other social media was banned but not TikTok because they happily censor whatever the government tells them to

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Post by pixelatedindex »

ActorNightly wrote: post #334
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #126

Allow me to offer some words of wisdom. If you help building weapons to be used against $currently_designated_bad_people, you can rest assured that given enough time, those weapons will be used against you. I am watching all this with a mild sense of bemusement.

Tik Tok wasn't built to be used as a weapon though.

Weapons can come in all forms and sizes. When wielded with the blend of censorship and propaganda, (social) media is absolutely a weapon. Is there a reason why it won’t be?

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Post by aprentic »

pjc50 wrote: post #298
conductr wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity. What do those videos mean to an average Chinese person? What are the opinions of illegal immigration over there? How do they police it? (If at all). Does this look like normal government activity? Or are they appalled at the lack of “freedoms” in America? I am truly naive on their culture or politics around this and how they would use it to show the US as boogeymen government and how their governmen…

Don't forget that the regular operation of Chinese policing is already much less free than what Americans are used to, plus the restrictions on internal freedom of migration (Hukou, less onerous than it used to be, plus the two SAR of Macao and HK). Mandatory state-issued ID, linked to your phone and bank account and so on. As well as racial profiling. There's not that much immigration to China in the first place, le…

How so?

My experience in China was that the police were a bit on the bureaucratic side but otherwise far less obtrusive than in the US.

They divide their police forces into civil police and armed police. The civil police tend to be bored looking middle aged guys lounging around in guard booths at museums. They don't have weapons. The only armed police I saw stood at attention at the airport except when they had a changing of the guard ceremony.

As near as I can tell, China only allows immigration if they think that will benefit China. They've been pushing hard on academic scholarships and, in recent years, they've managed to shift net visits from the US to China.

They also seem to be pushing really hard on increasing the number of visiting African scholars. That's likely straight out of the US playbook; they see China as a rising power and want to make sure that their emerging leaders were educated in China and have ties to China.

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Post by infecto »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #309
lolc wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my read you said something different from what OP said. They voiced that there was a wiping of preference that was noticeable, where you said "it does this all the time." Sure both can describe the same thing, but they don't have to be. Why double down instead of accepting that this time it might be different?

"I said you were right" is not doubling down, and looks like an accurate description of the conversation to me. OP got hostile for no good reason. If it's different, they can talk about how it's different instead of going on the attack against someone that listened and tried to provide information.

No hostility just amazing how I can share a datapoint as a long time user that something did interrupt the feed engine in a negative way and I get told it’s normal when in my experience it’s not.

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Post by culi »

js8 wrote: post #133

When I was 11, on 17th Nov 1989, in Czechoslovakia, my father was watching the evening news on our (black and white) TV, as usual. There was a protest and the state media was reporting on it. When the reporter said, "our camera broke down and we can only show black and white pictures", my father IMMEDIATELY jumped up and angrily said, "that's bs, you don't want to show how they [the protesting students] got beaten up…

I think history has shown that this is a fruitful intuition to have
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