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Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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cannonpr wrote: post #270
skybrian wrote: post #242

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That was very weird. In the post where he was arguably "shilling," he seems to have signposted pretty well that it was dumb, but he will take the money they offered: > $GAS is not equity and does not give you any ownership interest in Gas Town or my work. This post is for informational purposes only and is not a solicitation or recommendation to buy, sell, or hold any token. Crypto markets are volatile and speculativ…

“Degenerate gamblers” is the kind of stigma that stops people and their families getting help for addiction. Even if you believe it’s a moral failing, the families deserve better.

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Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by bob1029 »

I'm beginning to question the notion that multi agent patterns don't work. I think there is something extra you get with a proposer-verifier style loop, even if both sides are using the same base model.

I've had very good success with a recursive sub agent scheme where a separate prompt (agent) is used to gate the recursive call. It compares the callers prompt with the proposed callee's prompt to determine if we are making a reasonable effort to reduce the problem into workable base cases. If the two prompts are identical we deny the request with an explanation. In practice, this works so well I can allow for unlimited depth and have zero fear of blowing the stack. Even if the verifier gets it wrong a few times, it only has to get it right once to reverse an infinite descent.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by edg5000 »

wordswords2 wrote: post #339

There is nothing professional, analytical or scientific about Gas Town at all. He is just making up a fantasy world where his elves run in specific patterns to please him. There is no metrics or statistics on code quality, bugs produced, feature requirements met.. or anything. Just a gigantic wank session really.

Are you being sarcastic or serious? Meeting requirements is implicitly part of any task. Quality/quantification will be embedded in the tasks (e.g. X must be Y ); code style and quality guidelines are probably there somewhere in his tasks templates. Implicitly, explicit portions of tasks will be covered by testing.

I do think it's overly complex though; but it's a novel concept.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by leoc »

adabyron wrote: post #289
wonnage wrote: post #188

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It may be a joke in the same way that brogramming was a joke and somehow became an enduring tech bro stereotype

Strong agreement with this. The whimsical, fantasy, fun, light hearted things are great until a large enough group of people take them as a serious life motto & then try to push it on everyone else.

Taking the example of the cryptocurrency boom (as a whole) as the guide, the problem is the interaction of two realities: big money on the table; and the self-fulfilling-prophecy (not to say Ponzi) dynamic of needing people to keep clapping for Tinker-bell, in greater and greater numbers, to keep the line going up. It corrupts whimsical fun and community spirit, it corrupts idealism, and it corrupts technical curiosity.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by habinero »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #182
habinero wrote: post #140

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That's a terrible analogy lol. 1. Chefs do learn the chemistry, at least enough to know why their techniques work. 2. Food scientist is a real job 3. The supply chain absolutely does have scientists involved in day to day operations lol. A better analogy is just shoving the entire contents of the fridge into a pot, plastic containers and all, and assuming it'll be fine.

> Chefs do learn the chemistry, at least enough to know why their techniques work Cooks are idiots (most are either illegal immigrants with no formal education, or substance-abusing degenerates who failed at everything else) who repeat what they're told. They think ridiculous things, like that searing a stake "seals in the juices", or that adding oil to pasta water "prevents sticking", that alcohol completely "cooks…

> Cooks are idiots (most are either illegal immigrants with no formal education, or substance-abusing degenerates who failed at everything else) who repeat what they're told

Jesus Christ, dude. Just because someone works with their hands doesn't mean they're stupid. Good lord. Working in a professional kitchen is an incredibly demanding and difficult job. Don't be elitist to people who work way harder than you.

Especially since some of the dumbest and most intellectually coddled failsons I know went to, like, Yale lol. Or Harvard. A lot of YC startups are like Failson Continuation School. Plenty of people are smart, but a lot of them are just rich.

> On the other hand, vibe coding is curently churning out not just working software, but working businesses

Funny story, I'm evaluating SaaS ETL products and I found one that looked great. So I spent a couple hours testing out some tinkertoy examples with the idea to ask for budget if it worked.

I kept running into small stupid documentation problems and some incredibly stupid behavior in really basic shit (like, screwing up .env files) that no developer would do and then I realized it was all AI generated.

Did it work? Kinda! Mostly! Did it immediately make me put it in the "absolutely not" pile? Sure did.

If the code I can see is that sloppy and poorly reviewed, how bad is the code I can't see? I'm for sure not giving them our sensitive data.

If you think human code is bad, you should just work with better humans. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by zdragnar »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #211
Analemma_ wrote: post #125

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It's like the entire software industry is gambling on "LLMs will get better faster than human skills will decay, so they will be good enough to clean up their own slop before things really fall apart". I can't even say that's definitely a losing bet-- it could very well happen-- but boy does it seem risky to go all-in on it.

On one hand, it’s extremely tiring having to put up with that section of our industry. On the other, if a large portion of the industry goes all in, and it _doesn’t_ pay off and craters them, maybe the overhyping will move onto something else and we can go back to having an interesting, actually-nice-to-be-in-industry!

I can't help but think of a video of a talk by someone- uncle Bob maybe?- talking about the origin of the agile manifesto.

He framed it as software developers were once the experts in the room, but so many young people joined the industry that managers turned to micromanaging them out of instinctual distrust. The manifesto was supposed to be the way for software developers to retake the mantle of the professional expert, trusted to make things happen.

I don't really think that happened, especially with agile becoming synonymous with Scrum, but if this doesn't pay off and craters the industry, it seems like it'd be the final nail in that coffin.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by krackers »

bob1029 wrote: post #342

I'm beginning to question the notion that multi agent patterns don't work. I think there is something extra you get with a proposer-verifier style loop, even if both sides are using the same base model. I've had very good success with a recursive sub agent scheme where a separate prompt (agent) is used to gate the recursive call. It compares the callers prompt with the proposed callee's prompt to determine if we are…

>I think there is something extra you get with a proposer-verifier style loop, even if both sides are using the same base model.

DeepSeekMath-V2 seems to show this, increasing the number of prover/verifier iterations gives increases accuracy. And this is with a model that has already undergone RL under a prover/verifier selection process.

However this type of subagent communication maintains full context, and is different from "breaking into tasks" style of sharding amongst subagents. I'm less convinced of the latter, because often times a problem is more complex than the sum of its parts, i.e. it's the interdependencies that make it complex and you need to consider each part in relation to the other parts, not in isolation.

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Post by JasonADrury »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #322
wahnfrieden wrote: post #246

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Complete with a "Let’s goooooooo!" And FOMO stories about missing out on Bitcoin when he knew about it, so he doesn't want you to miss out on this new opportunity to get "filthy rich" as an "investor" while you still can.

More details on the pump and dump scheme he joined in on promoting and drew money from: https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/01/22/steve-yegges-gas-town-vib...

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Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by andrepd »

skybrian wrote: post #242
ludicity wrote: post #226

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I thought it was harmless(ish) fun, but David Gerard put out a post stating that Yegge used Gas Town to push out a crypto project that rug pulled his supporters, while he personally walked away with something between $50K to $100K from memory. I suppose that has little to do with the technical merits of the work, but it's such a bad look, and it makes everyone boosting this stuff seem exactly as dysregulated/unwise a…

That was very weird. In the post where he was arguably "shilling," he seems to have signposted pretty well that it was dumb, but he will take the money they offered: > $GAS is not equity and does not give you any ownership interest in Gas Town or my work. This post is for informational purposes only and is not a solicitation or recommendation to buy, sell, or hold any token. Crypto markets are volatile and speculativ…

> I think he's not very much to blame for taking the money from degenerate gamblers, and the cryptocurrency idiots are mostly to blame for their own mistakes.

So drug dealers are not to blame for taking the money from degenerate addicts! Let's free everyone and disband the DEA, we'll save billions of dollars.

Oh wait nvm this line of thinking only applies to sv people

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by 63stack »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #127
hyperpape wrote: post #97

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> If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment: So, Steve has the big scary "YOU WILL DIE" statements in there, but he also has this: > I went ahead and built what’s next. First I predicted it, back in March, in Revenge of the Junior Developer. I predicted someone would lash the Claude Code camels together into chariots, and that is exactly what I’ve done with Gas Town. I’ve tamed them to…

Keep in mind that Steve has LLMs write his posts on that blog. Things said there may not reflect his actual thoughts on the subject(s) at hand.

This is some super fucked up thinking. If it does not reflect your actual thoughts, you do not post it under your own name.
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