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Re: European Alternatives

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Many European countries have a single payer system when it comes to the medical system. That gives them a big leverage in negotiations for drug pricing.

When European customers pay American firms, it's "protection money". When American customers pay European firms, it's just capitalism, sorry bro.

That comparison makes no sense at all. What protection money are you taking about?

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While Master Card and a Visa there is a EU regulation limiting the fees, health insurance is mainly national level. So you could ask the question why is Ozempic cheap in Australia? But I can't answer your question.

This website appears to indicate that Visa/Mastercard fees are about 6x as high in the US vs EU: https://wallethub.com/edu/credit-card-interchange-fees-by-co... The EU had such a good deal with the US. But they couldn't resist making fun of us. They made fun of us for our military spending while we deterred Russia. They made fun of us for our health spending while we subsidized their drug development costs. They made…

Okay, so you're mad that your country is too stupid to regulate it's own business?

The regulation also forced all merchants to accept Visa/MC without being able to surcharge a fee for it.

Both Companies are quite happy with that deal as it boasted the adoption for their cards across Europe

Re: European Alternatives

#343

One obvious thing missing from any of those lists: Visa and Mastercard alternatives. This is the protection money that is never brought up by the US officials when they say that America was paying for our security.

Eh, as an American I have to pay Visa/Mastercard fees too. Why do European drug firms charge so much more for their drugs in the US than in Europe? That is an actual difference between what it is like to be in a consumer in US vs Europe. Even Bernie Sanders thinks it is a problem: https://www.npr.org/2024/09/24/nx-s1-5123689/novo-nordisk-ce...

How is that relevant? The US can reform its healthcare system whenever it decides to do so.

For the EU, Visa and Mastercard dependence form a duopoly controlled by a hostile foreign power. An alternative is essential.

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> Isn't it sad that we now have Russian, Chinese, American, European, etc alternatives? [...] Shouldn't we rather fight that nationalistic power grab [...] While I agree with your sentiment, European and nationalistic are two contradicting positions, unlike the other three mentioned superpowers.

What is nation is not a objective question. People can define Europe as nation and then you can have an nationalistic Europe.

Nobody inside Europe would define Europe as a Nation

Re: European Alternatives

#345

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When European customers pay American firms, it's "protection money". When American customers pay European firms, it's just capitalism, sorry bro.

That comparison makes no sense at all. What protection money are you taking about?

It's a claim from the comment I originally replied to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46736657

Re: European Alternatives

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Do you want to live in a school, on the streets, in a train, in a hospital, in a park or in a grocery store? As long as housing is extremely expensive in Europe, nothing else matters except for higher salaries.

Housing is not extremely expensive in europe. Only close to the big cities it is.

The person you're responding to is claiming that Americans have to pay $10,000 for a 2 bedroom apartment, thus that is why the salaries are so high.

That isn't true unless you're looking to rent a luxury apartment in a big city.

Re: European Alternatives

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I doubt you break your leg every year though. The kind of companies that we're talking about (big tech that are national champions) offers health insurance (among other benefits) and 200-500k USD/year salaries. I think culture and quality of life not withstanding, the raw numbers simply don't favor the EU becoming a tech leader with the current incentives.

> I think culture and quality of life not withstanding, the raw numbers simply don't favor the EU becoming a tech leader with the current incentives. But maybe culture and quality of life should not be ignored :-).

Quality of life in places like San Francisco and New York is very high, and you get the insane salaries, and your healthcare is oftentimes mostly if not completely covered by your employer (I pay literally $0 out of pocket for high quality healthcare here in San Francisco).

Re: European Alternatives

#348

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This website appears to indicate that Visa/Mastercard fees are about 6x as high in the US vs EU: https://wallethub.com/edu/credit-card-interchange-fees-by-co... The EU had such a good deal with the US. But they couldn't resist making fun of us. They made fun of us for our military spending while we deterred Russia. They made fun of us for our health spending while we subsidized their drug development costs. They made…

Okay, so you're mad that your country is too stupid to regulate it's own business? The regulation also forced all merchants to accept Visa/MC without being able to surcharge a fee for it. Both Companies are quite happy with that deal as it boasted the adoption for their cards across Europe

See this illustrates my point. The "soft power" talking point I sometimes see from Europeans is a complete lie. The idea is that giving Europe relatively favorable terms will cause Europe to regard the US well is a fabrication. In reality, giving Europe favorable terms just causes Europeans to view Americans as suckers.

Re: European Alternatives

#349

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This website appears to indicate that Visa/Mastercard fees are about 6x as high in the US vs EU: https://wallethub.com/edu/credit-card-interchange-fees-by-co... The EU had such a good deal with the US. But they couldn't resist making fun of us. They made fun of us for our military spending while we deterred Russia. They made fun of us for our health spending while we subsidized their drug development costs. They made…

You are paying more for everything because your country is extremely anti social, people alone have no leverage to negotiate prices with visa, pharmaceutics and so on. Trump is only pushing that « free for all » policy even more, I wouldn’t expect to see things improve for you. Instead of fixing your country and making the rich accountable, you’re being manipulated to look elsewhere. Anyway, I believe that the eu cut…

Yes, I am very happy to see Europe develop its own military-industrial complex. That way, whenever something bad happens in the world, you will be "complicit" if you sit by, and "imperialist" if you take action. It's a lot of fun!

Re: European Alternatives

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> About European Product Hunt - very good idea. Older members of HN will remember that Product Hunt probably came to life a lot because of HN and the submissions/comments from rrhoover (founder of Product Hunt). He's still active here, but before/during Product Hunt launch he was very active if I remember correctly. Maybe a grander idea is a European Hacker News, that has the potential to spawn the European Product H…

I don't know that an EU Hacker News makes sense, a core EU idea is Freedom of Movement. This started out as an ideal about Goods. You make a Doodad in Venice, clearly there should be as few obstacles as possible to prevent somebody in Dublin having that Doodad, so no export taxes between Venice and Dublin, shared regulatory framework so that your Venice "This Doodad won't choke a baby/ burn down a house/ spy on you/…

> This started out as an ideal about Goods.

I am sorry but no. This is a common myth, but go way back to the original treaty of Rome and you’ll see much more than free movement for goods. It was just a convenient first step.

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