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Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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I'm in the same boat. I think part of that is Proton is spread across a huge suite of products and features, whereas Fastmail is specialised in one.

> Fastmail is specialised in one. Sadly untrue since they added calendar. However I'd would say the email service and support remain excellent regardless.

I wouldn't use one without the other, which is how they won my business.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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I've been using proton for a year after migrating from Rackspace and I'm done. Not because of this article, but I might as well pile on: 1. I use a custom domain. Turns out that there are two competing features, not-at-all documented. If you use a catch-all, like I do, AND use specific addresses for sending, the two are incompatible to some degree. Which is bonkers. Example: with a catchall I can create any address I…

They are actively hostile to their customers. Author's experience is just the Proton experience. It was so when they were tiny, it is the same now

Ultimately you have to trust the company that offers you E2E encryption. I don't know why anyone would trust this company given the way they interact with people.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Terrorist attacks and perverts are every government's excuse to crack down on freedom. Refusing to comply with an authoritarian government like India's is a plus in my book.

Your plus is someone else's minus.

Of course, if you or your family are not the victim of a terror attack, you may not care if others are impacted by it.

After 9/11, USA did the biggest crackdown on terror, including domestic security overhaul such as stringent security checks in airports, more pervasive surveillance, etc.

Microsoft has recently given FBI recovery keys for Bitlocker to unlock a suspect's laptops: https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/23/microsoft-gave-fbi-a-set-o...

And this was for fraud investigation, not even a terror investigation case.

Every nation responds to repeated terror attacks in a similar way. Increased surveillance, increased scrutiny, increased vigilance, retaliatory strikes.

What do you expect? Let terror attacks happen, try not to prevent them, try not to retaliate at terrorist networks and nests?

You live in a cosy idealistic world, if you think that terrorism can be handled by ignoring it or its mechanisms of communication.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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It's time for the famous quote "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin Edit: format

I will respond to a quote with another famous quote: “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

The only ways to prevent terror attacks is by either going deep undercover into terror organisations, or by doing surveillance and investigation on suspected terror links.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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"Government scrutiny" ? What a bunch of bullshit. If anything this enhances Proton's reputation. If so called "terrorists and perverts" trust it to the point they rely on it for their own security, then it's worth serious consideration. Nobody wants to use cryptography that some indian government can subvert.

Next time there is a mass shooting or terrorist bomb blast in your neighborhood, I hope you can look at a poster of Proton VPN on your bedroom wall, and feel safe.

And then when you find out the police are going door to door to investigate the terror attack, you should start distributing printouts of an ad of Proton VPN urging locals on how to evade police/government scrutiny via Proton VPN.

See how that works out for you. You will be arrested as a terror sympathiser.

No surprises why.

It's because terrorists use VPNs to evade scrutiny, and the last thing that any respectable company or civilian should be doing is to openly associate themselves with terrorism, which is what Proton has done.

Proton (or any legitimate company, for that matter) has no business doing subversive activities in terror sensitive areas like J&K. If they do, then they need to face the repercussions.

https://tfipost.com/2026/01/profit-over-people-proton-vpn-ge...

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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> because it was found that terrorists and perverts were using it for terror communications and digital sexual abuse. Lol, nondescript "terrorists and perverts" are the laughingstock of Western politics. Eyes roll whenever someone justifies drastic action on vague terrorism/perversion accusations: https://youtu.be/ud9zBKJJQe4 My bigger concern is Modi's international reputation for exacerbating crime statistics to ma…

Please stay on topic.

J&K has long been a target of terror attacks. Long before Modi as PM.

Proton has no business inciting terrorists in known terrorist hotspots to evade the government.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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> Has anyone else noticed that the AI industry can’t take “no” for an answer? AI is being force-fed into every corner of tech. It’s unfathomable to them that some of us aren’t interested. The entire AI industry is built upon a common principle of non-consent. I can't help but see the spam as more circumstantial evidence of a bubble, where top-down "pump those numbers" priorities overrides regular process.

The really strange thing is that so much of it doesn't work. Like I get that the SOTA models perform some tasks quite well and have some real value. But the AI being implemented in every corner creates a lot of really bad results. The Shopify code assistant will completely wreck your site and basically gets nothing correct. It will write 100 lines to change a color of a single DIV. The Amazon product Q&A will give yo…

Saw an AI generated product feature list on walmart's site that listed a stainless steel rack as microwaveable. If someone can sue mcdonalds for hot coffee, I imagine someone burning their house down while microwaving steel probably could sue too. Intelligence of the plaintiff not withstanding.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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They're checking to see whether any of the links they put in the emails are being fetched from their servers. It's stupid, but it works for most people. I had a similar situation with SMS messages that were being sent to me with links informing me of status updates. These texts were useful, and I would go over to my real computer to check the web site. Then after a few days the text messages said "It looks like these…

You don't need the recipient to actually click on any visible link. Tracking pixels are the oldest trick in the book.

Only if people naively automatically load remote content. My inbox receives the bits that actually come in the email and nothing else. If you send an empty email with all images, you sent an empty email...

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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This. We must change laws that the above field is not considered as given consent. And while we are at it, we must change "silence is agreement" to "silence is disagreement". This applies to change of ToS, price increases etc. That means if I don't click a link with a button "I agree", the ToS change is not accepted - that means they have to cancel/delete my account.

> And while we are at it, we must change "silence is agreement" to "silence is disagreement". Maybe we should reframe their "silence is agreement" message as "silence is consent".

So creepy and weird this comment has downvotes. These people/companies absolutely do not value nor care about consent.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Terrorist attacks and perverts are every government's excuse to crack down on freedom. Refusing to comply with an authoritarian government like India's is a plus in my book.

Your plus is someone else's minus. Of course, if you or your family are not the victim of a terror attack, you may not care if others are impacted by it. After 9/11, USA did the biggest crackdown on terror, including domestic security overhaul such as stringent security checks in airports, more pervasive surveillance, etc. Microsoft has recently given FBI recovery keys for Bitlocker to unlock a suspect's laptops: htt…

"Every nation takes advantage of the opportunities that are terrorist attacks in a similar way"

If you think these crackdowns are for your own good, then it is you that lives in an idealized world.

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