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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by xpe »

mrbungie wrote: post #306
danmaz74 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More importantly, Anthropic should have open sourced their Claude Code CLI a year ago. (They can and should just open source it now.) "Should have" for what reason? I would be happy if they open sourced Claude Code, but the reality is that Claude Code is what makes Anthropic so relevant in the programming more, much more than the Claude models themselves. Asking them to give it away for free to their competitors se…

Well OpenCode already exists and you can connect it to multiple providers, so you could just say that the agentic CLI harness business model as a service/billable feature is no more. In hindsight I would say it never made sense in the first place.

The above does not prove that it is irrational for Anthropic to keep the Claude Code source code closed. There are many reasons I can see (and probably some I can’t) for why closed source is advantageous for A\. One such (mentioned in various places) is the value-add of certain kinds of analytics and or telemetry.

Aside: it is pretty easy to let our appreciation* of OSS turn into a kind of confirmation bias about its value to other people/orgs.

* I can understand why people promote OSS from various POVs: ethics, security, end user control, ecosystem innovation, sheer generosity, promotion of goodwill, expressions of creativity, helping others, the love of building things, and much more. I value all of these things. But I’m wary of reasoning and philosophies that offer merely binary judgments, especially ones that try to claim what is best for another party. That's really hard to know so we do well to be humble about our claims.**

**: Finally, being humble about what one knows does not mean being "timid" with your logic or reasoning. Just be sure to state it as clearly as you can by mentioning your premises and values.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by petesergeant »

rolymath wrote: post #327
dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

What an incredibly entitled message. If you know what anthropic should and shouldn't do, go start your own AI company.

Right? Lots of "Anthropic should do x because that's what makes sense to me".

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by [deleted] »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #298
moltar wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To extend your all you can eat analogy. It’s similar to how all you can eat restaurants allow you to eat all you can within the bounds of the restaurant, but you aren’t allowed to bring the food out with you.

...no, that's more like "but you can't bring your own fork"

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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by adam_patarino »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

They are subsidizing Claude code so they can use your data to train better coding models. You’re paying them to show their models how to code better.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by wiseowise »

isodev wrote: post #280
wiseowise wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever you say lol.

The usage of the word "reasoning" in the context of LLMs, just like the "I" in "AI", that's more marketing than a technical reality. I know it can be confusing.

Sure, sure.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by msten »

This makes total sense to me. Limiting the usage to their tooling means they can place reasonable limits on usage by controlling how the client interacts with the LLM and making those calls as efficient as possible. The current state of things didn't really feel sustainable.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by paradite »

nake89 wrote: post #212
cloudking wrote: post #198

Why is OpenCode better than Claude Code?

Works with several providers (e.g. Github copilot or bring your own key). They offer a server and an sdk, so you can build all kinds of personal tools. It's amazing.

Claude Code also has Claude Agent SDK (basically a wrapper around Claude Code) with a million downloads in the past week.

https://www.npmjs.com/package/@anthropic-ai/claude-agent-sdk

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by stingraycharles »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

What part of a TOS is ridiculous? Claude Code is obviously a loss leader to them, but developer momentum / market share is important to them and they consider it worth it.

What part of “OpenCode broke the TOS of something well defined” makes you think it’s all Anthropic’s fault?

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by adastra22 »

throwa356262 wrote: post #193
adastra22 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They switched to opt out, with some extra dark patterns to convert people who already opted out into opting in.

I did not know that. Could you elaborate?

New users now have to opt-out of training on their data - it is enabled by default. For existing users, during the transition they updated their terms and let you know about the change in policy, giving you an option to opt-in or opt-out. Opt-in was the default selection. Just today they AGAIN updated terms, presenting a click-through form on first load that looks like a permissions check (e.g. the standard dialog to enable access to the file system that we're conditioned to click-through). It was actually a terms-of-service update with opt-in selected by default, even if you already explicitly opted out. So if you hit enter to dismiss as you're used to doing, you just switched your account over to opt-in.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by mirzap »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

I tend to think that their margins on API pricing are significantly higher. They likely gave up some of that margin to grow the Claude Code user base, though it probably still runs at a thin profit. Businesses are simply better customers than individuals and are willing to pay much more.
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