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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #159
OGEnthusiast wrote: post #67

Europe is in a tough spot these days, trying to unwind decades of economic partnership with the USA while simultaneously trying to fend off Russia from Ukraine.

In a sense the EU is in a bind because it refuses to accept that the U.S. has moved on. If the EU does that they can throw off a lot of shackles that they’ve imposed on their relationship with China, and part of that deal could be China stopping funding Putin’s insanity.

I don't think it's definite yet that "the US has moved on". If Trump kicks it - and he will, sooner rather than later - there will be another regime change. If the politics flips back over to the Democrats again they will probably try and do damage mitigation (again, this is the recurring trend) and try and repair international relationships.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

dzonga wrote: post #298

> That's why they're so fucking horny to have chatbots shit out software at superhuman speeds. That's why they think it's good that they've got a chatbot that "produces a thousand times more code than a human programmer." Then when you think with some certain people saying yeah use A.I to write your code .... we will become forever renters. if you can't write code by hand & have to depend on A.I what happens when the…

That's exactly what they want, or what all companies want in the end.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ReptileMan »

iammjm wrote: post #315
energy123 wrote: post #215

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Not sure that's wise. The US put pressure on India to stop purchasing Russian oil, which cost the US diplomatic capital. It was showmanship and self-sabotage of an important relationship, but those aren't the actions of a sworn enemy to the EU. The US also gave how much material support to Ukraine over the last few years? Volatility and unpredictability is not the same thing as an enemy. There's also the self-interes…

US basically didn't do jack shit for Ukraine since Trump took over the 2nd time. Worse than that, US is trying to force Ukraine into some rotten capitulation to Russia, so that US and Russia can do business. As far as if US is Europe's enemy, just take a quick look at the recent US foreign policy doctrine, and decide for yourself.

US-Russia alliance means they will control the opening Arctic shipping route and containing China on the north. I would say it is too natural not to happen. Also global warming will possibly open a lot of new territories for development in Siberia and Alaska.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by berdario »

piltdownman wrote: post #295
miroljub wrote: post #260

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As an European I'd be rather tracked by an American (out Chinese, Russian, ...) company than by an EU or European regimes. Those companies are less likely to imprison or censor me than the regime who rules over Europe.

European citizens under US sanctions are being erased economically and socially within the EU. This is not to mention the systemic dismantling of the ICC at an individual level. The US has sanctioned six ICC judges this year, along with the court’s chief prosecutor and two deputy prosecutors. Prior to Trump, most of the ~15,000 individuals on the US sanctions list were members of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, the Mafia, or warlord…

> As a result they now can't book a hotel, use credit cards or access everyday services. As Nicolas Guillou says 'You are effectively blacklisted by much of the world's banking system'

Totally agree that this is absurd and disportionate, especially as a consequence of a US decision.

I mean, it's one thing to sanction a foreign billionaire: freezing their assets, thus preventing them from wielding their power in our borders is perfectly reasonable... But for a normal citizen living within your borders, freezing everything and preventing them from working is disenfranchising them and denying them all personal property rights (without judicial process!)

There are a bunch of examples of people in Europe who have also been sanctioned because of their political work. The first two that come to mind:

- Hüseyin Dogru https://theleftberlin.com/red-media-hueseyin-dogru/

- Nathalie Yamb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathalie_Yamb

If we're moving away from USA tech, I hope that we're not blindly trusting stuff simply being hosted in EU, but rather use the opportunity to spread our eggs in more jurisdiction baskets (rather than only the EU basket)

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

theturtlemoves wrote: post #334
beepbooptheory wrote: post #313

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Ok. But if "Western-style billionaires" provide peace and prosperity, don't leave us hanging on what's causing all the misery and poverty!

I'd say media and advertising are the most likely. I'm pretty happy with the products I buy, I get good value. No complaints on the billionaires from me

I'm happy for you that you're middle class and can afford your daily livelihood. See you later when that's no longer the case.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ReptileMan »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #339
ta20240528 wrote: post #110

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Trying so hard to fend off Russia, but they can't put Taurus missiles on a truck and drive them to Kiev? Converting the Ford factory in Detroit into a tank factory is "trying hard".

They can, but they need to maintain their own security as well. Europe's war factories are running at full capacity at the moment. Plus there's still the political game being played as well, can't be too overt or aggressive because Russia might escalate. With nukes.

Yes. Russia will totally nuke the places where their elite's children, mistresses and often themselves live.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by fsflover »

BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #277
blell wrote: post #105

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Creating good smartphone software is not easy. Only Apple has achieved it. Google is close. The rest are so far behind in the race they think they are leading.

> Only Apple has achieved it. Google is close. Debatable Android is a solid basis for a homegrown solution. We just never had the need to build one just yet. What Google and Apple built was convenient. But it's not as irreplaceable as some might think.

> Android is a solid basis for a homegrown solution.

Except all proprietary drivers tying you to an ancient Linux kernel and preventing upgrades of the OS.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by rakoo »

theturtlemoves wrote: post #332
rakoo wrote: post #309

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> Western-style billionaires do the former, as their wealth is created by providing services to people I'm sorry but this is just not based on reality. Wealth has always been formed by taking away from those who produce value. No one asked for 1000 new phone models every year, no one asked for 1000 new car models every year, no one asked for a million new kind of clothes every year. Services aren't provided, they are…

Wealth is formed by honest people trading amongst each other. Most people are like that.

I'm sorry but this is just too naive. There is no honesty in most people working for a wage that is barely enough to survive, while capital owners don't actually do anything and still receive an inconsiderate amount of money. There is no trading here, just a good old theft of all the produced value with just enough redistribution to buy back the stolen value. No billionaire ever became billionaire by trading anything only by stealing other's work.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by dspillett »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #314
dspillett wrote: post #302

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Unless your government is entirely forced upon you, they're is only so far the populace can distance itself from them. The majority of the bad crap this American administration is doing and has done was predicted, heck a lot of it they effectively promised during & before the election, yet nearly two thirds of the population either directly voted for it or sat on their elbows and let it happen.

> yet nearly two thirds of the population either directly voted for it or sat on their elbows and let it happen. While true, that still leaves more than 100 million people who did not.

True. But I'm assuming over there is similar to over here wrt brexit and such: some of the loudest voices wailing “we didn't vote for that” are people who actively did vote for [whatever], or didn't vote at all.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by kergonath »

0_gravitas wrote: post #305
kergonath wrote: post #249

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I have a lot of sympathy for the American people, and many personal American friends. Still, in a democracy everyone is collectively responsible for the government. "It’s not us, it’s our government" only work for so long.

It's not a democracy (by definition)

Trump won the popular vote, so even without electoral college shenanigans, he would be in power.

It’s a representative democracy, in which the people delegate their legislative power to representatives and the executive power to, largely, a president. Its executive branch is stronger than a lot of democracies, but that itself does not make it "not a democracy". It turns out that its constitution is not as much of a guarantee than some people expected but, again, it does not prevent it from being a democracy. It’s on its way to Orbanization, though, which is very concerning and a sign that it might not be an actual democracy for too long.

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