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UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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It's so organic and grass roots and good for democracy™ that every single Western country suddenly decided that eliminating privacy online in lockstep was the top priority despite none of the ruling parties running on it as a platform or with any meaningful referendums from the voting public. But to what end?

> democracy house of lords

The House of Lords is the most democratic hereditary system in the world. The 90 of the 92 heredities are elected from amongst the available candidates.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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> any relevant device supplied for use in the UK must have installed tamper-proof system software It's happening. Computer freedom, everything the word "hacker" ever stood for, will be officially destroyed if this passes. We're about to be robbed of control over our computers by force of law . It's just the UK now but eventually it will be every country. This is a very dark day. I've been prophesizing its arrival for…

The answer is obvious, every engineer should leave the UK as a protest. Yea, I know that's never going to happen. Still, I can dream

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Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Really? There are plenty of things that are considered harmful to minors but okay for adults. Should all those be banned too?

The contention is that the thing in question is harmful for minors and adults, albeit perhaps to different degrees. Also, to be clear, any ban should be enforced on the offering side, not the consumption side.

You can easily argue that most of the things that are banned for minors but not for adults are also harmful or at least dangerous for adults as well. Alcohol, pot, tobacco, pornography, stripping or acting in pornography, gun purchases, etc. are all debatable as far as adults, but clearly should be out of the question for developing brains. Perhaps an even better parallel to social media is that minors cannot get credit cards or take out loans without parental approval. A social media profile is a bit like taking out a mortgage on the rest of your life.

There are things that can have lifelong harmful consequences that we as a society recognize adults have rights to, and which they may be capable of moderating their exposure to, but which minors are simply not prepared to fully understand the consequences of.

Banning minors from social media does not ban their speech or access to speech. It bans their access to the gamified drug-like patterns of engagement surrounding the commoditication of speech for the gain of companies which know full well that the services they provide are built on hooking someone's eyeballs at the earliest age possible.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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It's so organic and grass roots and good for democracy™ that every single Western country suddenly decided that eliminating privacy online in lockstep was the top priority despite none of the ruling parties running on it as a platform or with any meaningful referendums from the voting public. But to what end?

Britain has been in love with this idea for decades at this point. It's not a surprise 1984 was British. But yes in the last ~20 years are so it's somehow become a top EU goal as well.

3-in-5 british people supported the Online Safety Act (age verification) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxxNnMsWUAALm75?format=jpg&name=...

Far more people strongly support it than strongly oppose

The idea it's being done in spite of the public doesn't seem to track with reality. You also don't have to look very hard on social media to find lots of British people supporting strong government policing of the internet.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Probably the media that shows the UK locking up old ladies and people in wheelchairs for speaking out publicly against ongoing UK support for genocide (among other "speech offenses").

Well what else can you expect from a far-left regime that openly supports the jihadist vermin raping and murdering Jews.

We've banned this account. Users who comment like this are instantly banned, no matter who or what it's about.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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It's also worth stating that the worst part of that proposed amendment [1] isn't even necessarily the VPN ban, it's the next clause, on page 20: "The “CSAM requirement” is that any relevant device supplied for use in the UK must have installed tamper-proof system software which is highly effective at preventing the recording, transmitting (by any means, including livestreaming) and viewing of CSAM using that device."…

Huh? How is this Apple’s fault?

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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I'm not at all a fan of mass surveillance, but is it possible - just possible - that your statement might contain just a smidge of hyperbole?

10,000+ arrests a year for posting offensive tweets? The fact there is no freedom of speech in UK and the politicians will willfully arrest people for wrongthink is disgusting. It means that any rational person will keep their mouths shut for fear of getting arrested.

Have you read 1984? This sounds like something leading up to the situation in the book, certainly not the worst parts.

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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I know what you're thinking: these restrictions are easy to work around. But don't worry, we can just layer more restrictions on top. Eventually the children will be safe! The government just needs to... - require proof of age (ID) to install apps from unofficial sources on your phone or PC. Probably best to block this at both the OS and also popular VPN downloading sites like github.com and debian.org. - require pro…

You joke, but as I understand it, all internet in the UK has Government mandated 'adult content' filtering by default and you have to go through a process to prove you're over 18 to have it removed... So they are much more than halfway there already...

It's worse than that sadly, there is no way to have it globally removed. You either have to use a VPN or age check with every website that requires it (or at least whichever service they partner with, I've not even looked).

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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The absurd thing is that the amendment only covers smartphones and tablets - which means those who the bill aims to target can easily break the law by using a laptop, desktop, camera, smart TV etc. In short, the Pandora's Box of automated surveillance and security risk on any smartphone or tablet is opened, while a gigantic loophole for serious offenders is left open.

Computers are too powerful, too subversive for us citizens to have access to. Give citizens computers and they can copy at will, making a mockery out of things like copyright, they'd wipe out entire sectors of the economy if left unchecked. Give citizens computers and they will have cryptography which can defeat police, judges, governments, spies, militaries. They cannot tolerate it. They will eventually lock everyth…

You already gave up your arms. Why are you surprised they’re coming for anything else they want?
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