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Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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Re: Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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I've always suspected Microsoft is a front for an ineffable cosmic evil that is trying to crush the human spirit into bewildered, abject despair. How else do you explain Teams and the Hotmail UI?

You're thinking of Larry Ellison.

He's no eldritch horror, just a garden variety Bond villain. Volcanic island and everything.

Re: Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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> Microsoft is a public company. That means their primary product is not products or services, it's their stock. Yeah that's a great business idea, ask Boeing how that's going

Current CEO: > Boeing spent about $300,000 to help Ortberg move to Seattle. His decision comes more than two decades after Boeing leadership decided to move company headquarters out of Seattle. Ortberg received about $18 million for the months he was the CEO in 2024. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ortberg Previous CEO: > In 2022, Calhoun received $22.5 million from Boeing. Most of his 2022 compensation was in t…

Not referring to the CEO. I was referring to short term stock price and shareholders being your only customers versus the people buying your product

Re: Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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I would expect Siri to be able to do anything on the iPhone that I can - change settings, report stats, kill/launch apps, etc. It would be nice if it could control 3rd party apps too, like GMail, but being able to control the stuff that Apple themselves have built doesn't seem a lot to ask.

Apple is somewhat privacy focused, allegedly. I would imagine that letting an unpredictable LLM read whatever system data it wants is not something they want to partake in.

We all know they Apple lack the capability, not a choice.

Re: Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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Except it makes no sense because as a scammer your goal is to get as many people as possible in contact with you so that you can scam them. You can only score on the goals you attempt so cutting out any person, no matter the reason, is illogical.

Keep following through the logic... You manage to hook someone who absolutely knows you're a scammer, and they keep responding to you taking up precious time you could be spending with someone who is actually likely to give you money. So, what is the upside to getting a response from someone who is never ever going to give you anything?

Occam's razor says they are just bad at English grammar because it isn't their native language/dialect and their education probably wasn't that great.

This is easily demonstrable by conversing with the scammers and noting that their actual English ability is the same as exists in the initial letter. Even when they have no chance of the scam succeeding and have been outed they write the same way. You can see plenty of evidence here:

* https://www.419eater.com/html/letters.php

Re: Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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My first experience of copilot was learning that my Microsoft Office subscription was increasing in price.

Then I dug a little deeper and saw that I could exclude it and go back to my old price.

For what I do with office, I have no use for copilot so you can guess what I did.

An unfortunate reality that software makers need to grasp is that a lot of people don’t use their software properly to begin with, meaning the addition of AI doesn’t push the needle - it’s just yet another “time saving feature” that the user won’t touch.

Re: Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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Well, the major problem Microsoft is facing is that its AI products are not only shoddier than average , which is nothing new for them in many categories, but that this time the competition can actually easily leapfrog them. Like, I have a 'Copilot' button prominently displayed in my New Outlook on MacOS (the only platform where the app-with-that-designation is sort-of usable), and it's a dropdown menu, and it has...…

Competition could as well in the past, I only switched from Borland compilers into Microsoft ones, after Borland decided to focus on enterprise customers.

And we all know the OEM deals preventing them to ship OS/2, BeOS, or whatever else they would like to.

The problem is that in modern computing landscape they cannot play that strategy, even when owning plenty of FOSS projects, there are plenty alternatives.

Re: Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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I bet c-suite uses Mac

And everything aimed at developers assumes you're using Unix.

Hardly, there is this misconception in FOSS circles that software development outside UNIX walls is an ilusion.

Re: Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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As a .NET developer who actually likes some Microsoft products, I can say this: the Copilot series is the worst thing they've shipped since Internet Explorer—and honestly, it might overtake it. The sad part is they had a huge head start before competitors gained access to powerful models, yet this is what we got. If you haven’t seen how bad it is, here’s one example: Copilot Terminal. In theory, it should help you wi…

When was the last time Microsoft had a unified vision that was focused on building an amazing line of products that integrated well with each other? I can only think of short snippets in history where they moved in that direction for maybe a year or two & then went scatterbrain. Microsoft has benefited from a monopoly in the enterprise and has never been forced to innovate from a product perspective. See Slack/Teams…

Not really.

You are right if talking about the efforts improving C# and CLR, taking the lessons out of Midori, Blazor and Aspire.

Regarding F#, VB, and C++/CLI, the poor souls are on a lifeline that makes CLR nowadays stand out for C# Language Runtime, instead of the original Common.

And the chaos that reigns on Windows Forms, WPF, WinUI, MAUI certainly isn't helping.

Finally they are constrained in what they can put into C# DevKit as means to not canibalize Visual Studio and Windows sales, it can only be good enough, not great and feature parity.

Also regardless of the reasoning behind it, having TypeScript rewriten into C# instead of Go would have been a great opportunity to make C# more relevant outside Microsoft shops, instead anyone looking to contribute to TypeScript compiler will be learning Go instead.

Re: Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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post #116

I think the biggest revelation of the last 3 years or so is that Microsoft does not have either the will or the talent (or both) to effectively execute anymore. Everything it currently stands on is a legacy product with roots in the Ballmer or Gates eras. They owe their Azure footprint and "success" today to Ballmer. Their inability to produce anything useful with Copilot is the largest example of this, but there are…

Yes, I miss the Windows developer experience from Balmer era, "Developers, Developers, Developers" certainly doesn't apply to Windows native development experience.

The only thing good from Satya era on Windows development experience, is the improved terminal, and that now I don't have to install VMWare Workstation any longer.

Re: Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products

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post #116

I think the biggest revelation of the last 3 years or so is that Microsoft does not have either the will or the talent (or both) to effectively execute anymore. Everything it currently stands on is a legacy product with roots in the Ballmer or Gates eras. They owe their Azure footprint and "success" today to Ballmer. Their inability to produce anything useful with Copilot is the largest example of this, but there are…

Another example: the complete surrender of the Xbox platform. They spent the last 10 years buying up game studios and then closing them, failing to develop any good exclusive titles, and letting Sony eat their lunch. Now they are officially giving up and will just let Sony own the console space altogether. Xbox was THE gaming console 20 years ago. Playstation was always a contender but Xbox Live was synonymous with t…

In US, XBox was never first in the rest of the world.
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