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Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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> Indian Air Force has repeatedly falsely claimed that they downed five Pakistani fighter jets, and one AWACS aircraft. This claim is patently absurd and completely unsupported... This was also confirmed by several independent international aviation experts not only the IAF. The S-400 achieved a record-setting engagement by shooting down a Saab 2000 AWACS aircraft from a range of greater than 300 km. Check out the an…

>This was also confirmed by several independent international aviation experts not only the IAF. The S-400 achieved a record-setting engagement by shooting down a Saab 2000 AWACS aircraft from a range of greater than 300 km. Not a single credible source has reported this. >The only propaganda on this subject is sadly coming from yourself. Look, there are a plenty of actual photos of the IAF losses in this conflict. T…

> Not a single credible source has reported this.

Wow, I would first like your definition of a credible source before bothering even discussing further - it seems you have some extraordinary high standard that neither media nor government sources or international analysts nor satellite imagery nor some of the photos of the crashed aircraft can meet.

Tom Cooper has now been relegated to an idiot by you. How about John Spencer then ? He is a US military analyst who has also confirmed the efficacy of the S-400 and Operation Sindoor. Is he also an idiot ?

What about (Retd) Pakistani Air Marshal Masood Akhtar who was reported as saying an AWACS was destroyed ? Is he also an idiot ?

> To start with, I'd love to see some substance for your original claim

What would even be the point ? I would point to indian/russian sources and you would immediately shoot them down as propaganda. First, you should confirm what you mean by "substance" and "evidence".

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Hypersonic missiles is a distraction, the real danger currently comes from mass produced drones (both Shahed and FPV ones) and I’m afraid EU has no good defence against them.

The part about shaheds is such a ridiculous take, they're an economic inconvenience not a serious military threat.

FPV drones? You don't need good defense against them, it'd be nice to have, but EU military doctrines broadly assume aerial superiority enabling effective combined arms operations and maneuver warfare. Hostile operators of fiber optic drones aren't going to have a great time in such an environment.

But sure, EU would have a bad time without US support given that EU ammunition stocks probably aren't deep enough for proper DEAD.

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We're talking in circles. The way you attract people into a field despite poor management and working conditions is higher wages . That's the basic foundational truth of labor economics. Simply importing people who are desperate for even a below-market (in Germany) wage means that there is no economic incentive for conditions to improve or for wages to rise, and that your own pipeline will continue to dry up, leaving…

> The way you attract people into a field despite poor management and working conditions is higher wages. People don't want to work in these conditions tho. And the public has to pay these wages. Seriously, you are so damn ignorant thinking American free-market bla bla is the fix for everything. It's probably tough to swallow, but quality of life matters here. Why aren't you paying your field and gastronomy workers 1…

> It's a democracy, the root issue can be fixed politically.

But it’s not. That’s why we’re having this discussion. And whether you want to have a free market or not, the labor market is still driven by money. People will go into fields that pay more money. People will go into fields that pay more money, even if conditions are bad. Yoy seem to think I’m a free markets guy - economically in most respects it’s fair to say I’m a socialist.

Your political solution right now is total nonsense and it doesn’t seem to be getting any better. Following ideological commitments right off a cliff and doing it better than anyone else seems to be the German way. Of course, the degree to which Germany or most any modern country could be said to be a “democracy“ is highly questionable.

Certainly if the German people don’t want to pay Germans what makes it worth it for Germans to become nurses, they have a huge intractable problem.

> Despite all the riches, the median income in the US is lower than Germany

According the the US census data, median income in the US is 81k. In Germany, median income USD appears to be 60k.

> Why aren't you paying your field and gastronomy workers 100k instead of exploiting illegals?

I agree employers should be be imprisoned for hiring illegals and even that most migrant worker visas should be abolished. I made great money for many years working in a restaurant and I was shocked to see in other parts of the country it’s just a matter of course that this goes on, undercutting wages and causing all sorts of problems.

Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Use, for example, Google Translate on the (Russian) explanations of the lyrics at https://genius.com/Ic3peak-no-more-death-lyrics to understand the context of this song.

Just turning CC=on in the video does a great job as well. They translated well, I think?

In my opinion understanding even the translated text requires a little bit more (cultural) context, which genius.com provides.

Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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>This was also confirmed by several independent international aviation experts not only the IAF. The S-400 achieved a record-setting engagement by shooting down a Saab 2000 AWACS aircraft from a range of greater than 300 km. Not a single credible source has reported this. >The only propaganda on this subject is sadly coming from yourself. Look, there are a plenty of actual photos of the IAF losses in this conflict. T…

> Not a single credible source has reported this. Wow, I would first like your definition of a credible source before bothering even discussing further - it seems you have some extraordinary high standard that neither media nor government sources or international analysts nor satellite imagery nor some of the photos of the crashed aircraft can meet. Tom Cooper has now been relegated to an idiot by you. How about John…

I'll repeat myself: Can you actually find a source for your original claim about Russia using the incredibly costly S-400 platform to shoot down thousands of cheap Ukrainian drones? Russia has much cheaper systems better suited for that task, so it'd be really interesting to hear more about this.

Relitigating the India-Pakistan conflict with someone who seems to have deeply held nationalist beliefs is just not all that exciting to me.

>Wow, I would first like your definition of a credible source before bothering even discussing further - it seems you have some extraordinary high standard that neither media nor government sources or international analysts nor satellite imagery nor some of the photos of the crashed aircraft can meet.

Credible source? Someone who doesn't have a documented track record of repeatedly reporting false rumors as facts would be a nice start.

>How about John Spencer then ? He is a US military expert who has also confirmed the efficacy of the S-400 and Operation Sindoor. Is he also an idiot ?

I think John Spencer is generally a decent source, but with a quick search I couldn't find anything resembling serious analysis by him on this topic. He does in fact have a post where he quickly states that "one [Saab 2000 AEW&C] was destroyed—likely by an S-400 system", but no explanation as to how he arrived at that conclusion.

However, I find it odd that John Spencer is commenting on this anyway given that his expertise lies mostly in urban warfare.

>What about (Retd) Pakistani Air Marshal Masood Akhtar who was reported as saying an AWACS was destroyed ? Is he also an idiot ?

It took you only a couple of minutes to go from the AWACS being shot down in a record breaking engagement by the s-400 to it being damaged on the ground by Indian strikes, I've never suggested that the latter did not happen.

And for what it's worth, here's another hilarious detail about IAF claims https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/four-air-launched-...

Hindustan Times reports that IAF claims to have destroyed a C130J in Pakistan. Pakistan does not and did not ever have a single C130J. Up to you if you want to blame Hindustan Times or IAF for this obviously false claim.

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Wait, their military was involuntary previously? Everyone currently serving didn’t choose to do this?

There was mandatory military service until 2011 when it was paused. Since then Germany had a purely professional army like the US. Mandatory military service was 9-12 months basic training, which could be objected on moral grounds. Objection meant doing alternative (civil) service for the time (e.g. working in a hospital, school, THW, etc.).

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> Not a single credible source has reported this. Wow, I would first like your definition of a credible source before bothering even discussing further - it seems you have some extraordinary high standard that neither media nor government sources or international analysts nor satellite imagery nor some of the photos of the crashed aircraft can meet. Tom Cooper has now been relegated to an idiot by you. How about John…

I'll repeat myself: Can you actually find a source for your original claim about Russia using the incredibly costly S-400 platform to shoot down thousands of cheap Ukrainian drones? Russia has much cheaper systems better suited for that task, so it'd be really interesting to hear more about this. Relitigating the India-Pakistan conflict with someone who seems to have deeply held nationalist beliefs is just not all th…

> Credible source? Someone who doesn't have a documented track record of repeatedly reporting false rumors as facts would be a nice start.

That depends on what you personally take as rumors vs facts. No doubt you would take all Indian/Russian media reporting the S-400 used in drone slaying as rumors. If you wish actual video evidence, it is extremely difficult as obviously the S-400 was only one component of an air defense system used in Sindoor. Its efficacy was confirmed only later by several sources.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/bought-in-defiance...

https://www.businesstoday.in/visualstories/news/game-changer...

> Hindustan Times reports that IAF claims to have destroyed a C130J in Pakistan.

The IAF did NOT claim that. ACM Singh described it as "A C-130-class plane - i.e., an American-made, military transport aircraft dubbed 'Hercules' - may have also been hit". No mention of the "J" variant.

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I hope German teens are thrilled to fight America's wars

Russia invading Europe would be America's war?

Yes. After all, Europe is under NATO occupation, the same NATO whose leader is no one than America.

Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Russia invading Europe would be America's war?

Is America allied with Russia or Europe in this scenario? That's probably not what the parent comment meant, though.

Not really. I meant that America has triggered this war, like pretty much all wars on this planet since the end of the global anti fascist war. Thus, Europeans being good little servants, they will die for Washington.

Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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I'll repeat myself: Can you actually find a source for your original claim about Russia using the incredibly costly S-400 platform to shoot down thousands of cheap Ukrainian drones? Russia has much cheaper systems better suited for that task, so it'd be really interesting to hear more about this. Relitigating the India-Pakistan conflict with someone who seems to have deeply held nationalist beliefs is just not all th…

> Credible source? Someone who doesn't have a documented track record of repeatedly reporting false rumors as facts would be a nice start. That depends on what you personally take as rumors vs facts. No doubt you would take all Indian/Russian media reporting the S-400 used in drone slaying as rumors. If you wish actual video evidence, it is extremely difficult as obviously the S-400 was only one component of an air d…

> That depends on what you personally take as rumors vs facts

I linked multiple examples of your "analyst" reporting Ukrainian successes that did not happen as facts.

> No doubt you would take all Indian/Russian media reporting the S-400 used in drone slaying as rumors

Hey, I'll happily accept that claim from any of the decent Russian milbloggers. You know, the ones that are not consistently reporting things as fact that later turn out to be false.

But you're shifting the goalposts again, we're moving from Russia shooting down thousands of drones using the S-400 to India shooting down some drones using the S-400.

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