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Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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What are the limitations of machines like these?

I too have a crippling dual CPU workstation hoarding habit. Single thread performance is usually worse than enthusiast consumer desktops, and gaming performance will suffer if the game isn't constrained to a single NUMA domain that also happens to have the GPU being used by that game. On the other hand, seeing >1TiB RAM in htop always makes my day happier.

Any pointers on how to buy one?

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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This will probably be an unpopular reply, but "real median household income" — aka, inflation-adjusted median income — has steadily risen since the 90s and is currently at an all-time high in the United States. [1] Inflation includes the cost of housing (by measuring the cost of rent). However, we are living through a housing supply crisis, and while overall cost of living hasn't gone up, housing's share of that has…

I have several qualms with how the real median household income is calculated, specifically the consumer price index. But I agree that tackling housing alone would be significant.

I think everyone has quibbles about the CPI. Ultimately though, it would take a lot of cherry-picking to make it seem like overall cost of living has gone up 3x while wages have gone up less. As a counterexample, an NES game in 1990 cost $50 new (in 1990 dollars! Not adjusted for inflation). Battlefield 6 cost $70 new this year (in 2025 dollars), and there were widespread complaints about games getting "too expensive." In real terms games have become massively less expensive — especially considering that the budget for Battlefield 6 was $400MM, and the budget for Super Mario World in 1990 was less than $2MM.

There are a zillion examples like this. Housing has gone way up adjusted for inflation, but many other things have gone way, way down adjusted for inflation. I think it's hard to make a case that overall cost of living has gone up faster than median wages, and the federal reports indicate the opposite: median real income has been going up steadily for decades.

Housing cost is visible and (of course, since it's gone up so much) painful. But real median income is not underwater relative to the 90s. And there's always outrage when something costs more than it used to, even if that's actually cheaper adjusted for inflation: for example, the constant outrage about videogame prices, which have in fact massively declined despite requiring massively more labor to make and sell.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Or we could go back to using software that didn't require 1 Gb to run the OS / Browser combo powerful enough to run a browser that can load "too much" javascript to enable a webmail interface. In the 80s I ran an early SMTP / POP email client that functioned as a DOS TSR with code and data less than 64k. Granted, it was pretty crappy and was text-only (non MIME.) But there's got to be a middle ground between 64k for…

You have to ship software that behaves exactly the same across three desktop operating systems and two mobile operating systems. Be glad we leave out tablets for this. You're able to hire 4 vibecoding juniors and your deadline is in 6 months. You know what you choose for a frontend? It's Electron + React and React Native. And none of your customers will complain because the people with money to spend are rocking 12GB…

The election apps are the same size as a complete VM of windows 2000.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Yeah, makes absolute sense. A bit like Toyota putting a GM engine in their car, because the Toyota engine division is too self-centered, focusing to much on efficiency.

You mean toyota putting bmw engine (supra). Your statement is contradicting as Toyota has TRD, which focuses on the track performance. They just couldn't keep up with the straight six perf+reliability when comparing to their own 2jz

> toyota putting bmw engine (supra).

Or Toyota using a Subaru engine (Scion FRS, Toyota GT86)

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Yo, your comment makes it seem like AI deserves this memory and chrome does not...

They're saying the amount of bloat in modern software is so ridiculous that it requires multiple gigabytes of memory to run a single application that, in a sane universe, shouldn't occupy more than a hundred MB. AI doesn't deserve it more than we do, but also we shouldn't be required to have $300 in RAM for basic functionality. We shouldn't have to deal with RAM scalpers because businesses don't want to develop good…

Yo, are you saying AI is not the epitome of bloat? Like, it's not a cancer of epic proportions. Very confused..

Wat?

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Yo, your comment makes it seem like AI deserves this memory and chrome does not...

And I for one welcome our new AI overlords! Seriously though... I think most uses of LLMs are pretty stupid, but it seems like we're in the bubble and the only way people can continue to make money is by doubling down on AI spending. Or at least that's the only way they think they can make money. So... sorry for leaving you with that impression. Maybe the only way to get to the post AI hype world is to give AI compan…

I was just pointing out the weirdness of AI bloat and complaint about application bloat....it's not irony...it's like, the zeitgeist.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Or we could go back to using software that didn't require 1 Gb to run the OS / Browser combo powerful enough to run a browser that can load "too much" javascript to enable a webmail interface. In the 80s I ran an early SMTP / POP email client that functioned as a DOS TSR with code and data less than 64k. Granted, it was pretty crappy and was text-only (non MIME.) But there's got to be a middle ground between 64k for…

As long as javascript developers don't care about memory usage, I'm not sure what anyone can do.

I mean, for goodness sake, an empty YouTube page with no videos eats up a shocking amount of memory - 90 MB just for the js heap. I used to run Windows 3.1 on a machine with 8 MB of RAM.

Admittedly, a good amount of memory used with browsers is because of larger graphics buffers that go along with higher resolution monitors, but much is just... waste.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Yo, your comment makes it seem like AI deserves this memory and chrome does not...

And I for one welcome our new AI overlords! Seriously though... I think most uses of LLMs are pretty stupid, but it seems like we're in the bubble and the only way people can continue to make money is by doubling down on AI spending. Or at least that's the only way they think they can make money. So... sorry for leaving you with that impression. Maybe the only way to get to the post AI hype world is to give AI compan…

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Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Yo, your comment makes it seem like AI deserves this memory and chrome does not...

They're saying the amount of bloat in modern software is so ridiculous that it requires multiple gigabytes of memory to run a single application that, in a sane universe, shouldn't occupy more than a hundred MB. AI doesn't deserve it more than we do, but also we shouldn't be required to have $300 in RAM for basic functionality. We shouldn't have to deal with RAM scalpers because businesses don't want to develop good…

The thing is: most people don't want to pay for good software. For any software.

And on top of that bug fixes and efficiency gains are never a top priority, only new features and redesign are pushed forward.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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And I for one welcome our new AI overlords! Seriously though... I think most uses of LLMs are pretty stupid, but it seems like we're in the bubble and the only way people can continue to make money is by doubling down on AI spending. Or at least that's the only way they think they can make money. So... sorry for leaving you with that impression. Maybe the only way to get to the post AI hype world is to give AI compan…

I was just pointing out the weirdness of AI bloat and complaint about application bloat....it's not irony...it's like, the zeitgeist.

lol. yes. I am behind the times complaining about app bloat. I should be complaining about LLM bloat. But I have enough bile in me to complain about both.
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