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What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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Re: What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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Can you write down your actual analysis of the disposition of political capital, factions, interest groups, etc.? People aren’t just going to take your word that A outweighs B modulo C, or that B outweighs A modulo C. There needs to be some credible substance.

Sorry, did I accidentally wander into a political action group working meeting, and you're mistaking me for the chairperson or something? If you have actual money and people working on this, don't take your cues form some rando on the internet! I thought this was a site where we talk about ideas and see what people's perspectives are. @basilikum asked why on earth @mchusma would advocate "pay to extend" instead of "1…

So then "You're never going to win that one.” was just a random guess?

Why pretend if there’s no substance at all backing it up?

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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What's interesting is that this is true of all creators, not just artists. Making money means running a business, and running a business requires more than just creating something. You also have to identify a good market for that creation, and find a way to distribute to them, and provide a viable model for them to pay for it, and (the hardest part) out-compete all the other businesses who are doing the same. This is…

Artists are not the only ones who make a stink about this; it's inherent to the capitalist mode of production. Everyone involved in a venture is risking something , but the law only rewards specific kinds of risk with equity ownership over the venture. Other kinds of risk are solely rewarded with monetary wages at sub-profit margins. That's why labor unions exist, and why the nation's elites work tirelessly to stop t…

> the law only rewards specific kinds of risk with equity ownership over the venture

I would argue that it's not solely the law rewarding that kind of risk, it's the market. There is no law that says that only equity owners can enjoy massive profits. Some employees get paid 7 figures, 8 figures, or more, even without equity.

Generally speaking, the rewards go to the hardest parts, the riskiest parts, the parts with the least supply and the most demand.

You are taking far more risk by being a business creator and blazing a new trail, than you are by studying a fixed set of knowledge and techniques to train to become a Front End Software Engineer or some other kind of well-defined high-demand pre-defined role. And the evidence for this is the fact that there are millions of people who've shaped themselves into that safer mould, and very few who have done the former.

And this doesn't just apply to owners vs employees, it applies within each group, too. There are far more restauranteurs than search engine founders, as the former is simply a less risk and less competitive endeavor. (Competing with your local market vs competing with the world.) And artists who create unique works tend to earn a lot more than copycats. Artists who master rare skills tend to earn a lot more than people generating stuff off Midjourney. Etc. Risk tends to go hand-in-hand with reward.

Of course there are exceptions, e.g. rent-seeking, sabotage, monopoly, collusion, etc. that can earn you a lot without you providing a lot of value or taking a lot of risk. And a huge role of the law is to make as much of this illegal as possible, to force people into more value-creating activities by process of elimination.

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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As a photographer, why should I be forced to sell prints of the photographs that are hanging in a restaurant? If the limitations on copyright weren't present, why wouldn't the restaurant make copies of the photograph that I took that they have hanging on the wall and sell it at the front door without reimbursing me in any way?

I don’t think copyright shouldn’t exist at all, I think the general consensus in this topic has been that the length of copyright protection is longer than is considered reasonable. You don’t have to sell the prints if you don’t want to. But if someone else does fulfill that market demand by selling or giving away your photographs after those photographs have entered into public domain, that’s a win for all those who…

If I understand this correctly, your assertion is that me selling you a print 14 years ago (or 28) would now give you (or anyone) permission to put that on T-shirts and sell them despite that I'm still making prints of that photograph and selling it?

Aside on this is that it disincentivizes me to display anything that I don't want to sell and think I can make money on during the copyright protected period.

I have hundreds of photographs... the idea that I'd need to pay some amount to re-register them (individually?) extend their copyright protection is likewise absurd. (Compare : do you pay to re-register the copyright on each file in an open source repository ... because each file has a different copyright on it ... or the entire collection? But what is a logical collection of photographs?)

I have photographs that have made more money in the past 5 years than they have in the 30 years prior.

Moving things to the public domain faster than the artists who created the material would likely make them less likely to produce, publish, or sell things that would enter the public domain before they could benefit from them would result in the material becoming a patronage based system or the material never being created at all.

I do not want all artwork to be locked behind a patronage system. e.g. "Here's my patreon - all members at the $20 level get a high quality digital image each week." That would be bad for art as a whole... you'd never see it at an art festival or in a gallery or a restaurant wall.

I realize this is becoming more and more popular... but I don't think it is good. Shorter copyright terms would make this even more prevalent because of the difficulties being able to make money as an artist off the material. The long tail of a photographer's library is very much a thing and part of one's livelihood. Cutting off that tail prematurely doesn't put more material into the public domain - it results in less material being created.

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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> I would contend that this suggestion puts too much faith in governments Copyright only works if you have faith in your government to create and enforce laws. Otherwise, if you don't have faith in your government, you have bigger problems than a poor system of copyright. --- Anyway, all of your points are wonderful things to argue about while we get the kind of copyright reform we need. When we argue about details l…

Which government do I need to have faith in for enforcing the copyright for a citizen of Wakanda who is infringing upon my work? The floor of copyright reform is set by TRIPS and the WTO. That's 50 years. If one wants to try to set another floor, it involves every country in the WTO to agree on that. Setting an floor that expires sooner is likely a non-starter given concerns about things getting slurped up into AI mo…

> If one wants to try to set another floor, it involves every country in the WTO to agree on that.

This is less of a tough sell than you think. In pretty much every IP-related trade negotiation, you can divide the world into two categories:

* Ultra-rich countries that want to push through every insane IP idea they have (life+50, DMCA 1201, etc) onto as many other countries as possible

* Everyone else

Notably, the ultra rich are all "dealmaker countries". They're the ones dictating the terms of international trade to everyone else and whatever terms they insist upon will be accepted without question. So yeah, if, say, South Africa or India want shorter terms, they still have to respect America's terms, at least up to life+50. But if the US wants shorter terms out of India, they will get shorter terms out of India, come hell or high water.

Conversely, Mexico has life+100 terms, but nobody is trying to use them to ratchet up terms elsewhere. They're a deal taker.

The real question is if another ultra-rich country will stop one that tries to lower the Berne minimum. Keep in mind that the ultra-rich subdivide into groups that, in order of relative IP insanity, are: Europe, Japan, and then the US in the crazy slot. If the US were to, say, repeal DMCA 1201; Europe would cheer and Japan would grumble.

Actually, the Berne convention happened during a time when Europe was the copyright basketcase and America was in the "everyone else" category[0]. The US had 28+14 terms up until 1976, and we didn't join the Berne Convention until 1988 - almost a hundred years late[1]! So if the US were to drop the Berne floor, you could totally imagine the EU going insane and trying to trade war the US out of it. But at the same time, the EU isn't very good at fighting trade wars with other ultra-rich blocs. Or at the very least, they fold very easily.

[0] For exactly the same reason why China is today. China is in the same position America was a century ago, where it had a huge manufacturing base and basically no cares about copyright.

[1] In particular, the US really, really hated automatic registration. While it is true that you don't have to register copyright and users of creative works have to treat everything as copyrighted; creators still have to register anyway if they want to actually enforce their rights. And if they don't do it right away they don't get statutory damages, which are almost always the only damages that matter. So you get all the problems of automatic registration with all the problems of copyright formalities.

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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This is not an endorsement of the work, but there's Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. I hear 50 Shades of Gray is another fanfic that went mainstream. A book nerd could come up with a much longer list, but I know there's a ton more illegal unlicensed! Harry Potter fan fic.

50 Shades is decidedly not a fanfic for the exact reason that it couldn't be sold as one.

Quoting Wikipedia:

“The Fifty Shades trilogy was developed from a Twilight fan fiction series originally titled Master of the Universe and published by [E. L.] James episodically on fan fiction websites under the pen name ‘Snowqueen Icedragon’.”

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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> Mandatory licensing is a "no". I should not be required to license my material to anyone. I do not want my works of photography, fiction, or software development to be mandatorily licensed to someone who could then take it and make derivative works that I don't want them to. Consider how many people object to their CC work being included in AI models. You just made the argument for mandatory licensing. Why? Piracy…

Why should I be required to license my (non-stock) photographs hanging in a gallery to someone who wants to make placemats of those images? Why should a photograph of a model (I have a model release) that I took be something I am required to license to someone who wants to use it in a way that is defamatory to the model? Why should I be required to accept the finances in licensing terms as someone who is posting neat…

Because once you make information available to the general public, you have no way to control what the general public does with that information. (This is the reason why DRM failed.)

(In general, my proposal is more in context with things like movies, TV shows, music; situations where in the past anyone could make a DVD/CD player that could play any DVD/CD, anyone could sell any DVD/CD by buying into the patent pool. No one could sell a DVD/CD that could only play in a specific model, and a CD/DVD player maker didn't have to negotiate with every studio. So my licensing model isn't quite the same situation that you're talking about.)

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In this case, the problem is that fair use is eroded. The questions are:

> Why should I be required to license my (non-stock) photographs hanging in a gallery to someone who wants to make placemats of those images?

1: Once you make information available to the general public, how long do you retain exclusive control of that information? At what point is the general public's fair use eroded?

> Why should I be required to accept the finances in licensing terms as someone who is posting neat photographs and looking to make some beer money? vs someone who is a well known photographer and selling prints for a couple hundred dollars at art fairs? vs someone who is world famous and sells prints for tens of thousands of dollars?

2: That's really the formula. It's a wonderful thing to argue about. Again, though, it's about making sure that fair use is preserved.

> Can I even make/guarntee limited edition photographs anymore?

3: (Please also see answer 1) Why do people still flock to the Lourve (sp?) to see the Mona Lisa? That being said, copyright isn't intended to support artificial scarcity, and I think breaking down artificial scarcity makes popular items more valuable. (IE, the knockoff prints, that you collect royalties from, make the limited "artist made prints" more valuable.)

> Why do I have to sell a license to you? Why do I not have the same rights as a company making a product and being able to refuse to accept a client?

Fair use. (Sorry, running out of time, see my example about the DC/DVD market. Also, radio stations used to be able to play any song and follow a formula to pay the right holder. The artists couldn't refuse a station from playing their song.)

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> Why should a photograph of a model (I have a model release) that I took be something I am required to license to someone who wants to use it in a way that is defamatory to the model?

This isn't a copyright / fair use issue

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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post #310

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Why should I be required to license my (non-stock) photographs hanging in a gallery to someone who wants to make placemats of those images? Why should a photograph of a model (I have a model release) that I took be something I am required to license to someone who wants to use it in a way that is defamatory to the model? Why should I be required to accept the finances in licensing terms as someone who is posting neat…

Because once you make information available to the general public, you have no way to control what the general public does with that information. (This is the reason why DRM failed.) (In general, my proposal is more in context with things like movies, TV shows, music; situations where in the past anyone could make a DVD/CD player that could play any DVD/CD, anyone could sell any DVD/CD by buying into the patent pool.…

The same copyright laws apply to all things that are copyrightable regardless of medium. Anything that can be put into a fixed medium, be it print, digital recording, film.

Such a proposal needs to take into consideration everything that is copyrightable rather than just literature or film productions... but also software and photographs.

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50 years after publication date. If you want to license it before then for some other purpose, that's something that depends on your use of it and what I'm willing to accept.

If you have a formula, put it on the table. How much should it cost for me to commercially license some open source software?

How much should it cost you to license my photographs for fine art replicas? for placemats?

My contention is that any price that is legislated is wrong for the majority of the use cases. Any attempt to make it right gets into absurd nuance.

It is the same copyright laws that frustrate people for getting literature or movies into the public domain that also protects open source.

The alternative to copyright isn't "everything is free" but rather "everything is locked up."

The GPL was created because Stallman wanted to be able to modify printers. Getting rid of copyright (or making it very short duration) wouldn't have changed his experience with printers. What it would have changed would have been that that the GPL would lose all its teeth to compel people make their software licensed the same (under copyright law!).

People are upset about content they created two decades ago being incorporated into an AI model ( https://www.deviantart.com/shagie/art/Moonrise-over-San-Fran... )... without copyright I would have no right to complain about this.

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However, all of this is pretty much moot and performative. If you want to change it to something shorter than 50 years - get the WTO to renegotiate TRIPS.

That ain't happening.

Spending effort to say "this is how it should be..." go write a story and release it to the public domain about that utopia of copyright freedom.

Speaking for myself, if I lost the rights provided by copyright to my photographs after a decade and half or so - I would not have posted them.

I do not want art locked up behind patronage and restricted to those few... though if that was the only alternative to being able to make some money off my photographs, then that's what I would have done.

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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post #280

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Which government do I need to have faith in for enforcing the copyright for a citizen of Wakanda who is infringing upon my work? The floor of copyright reform is set by TRIPS and the WTO. That's 50 years. If one wants to try to set another floor, it involves every country in the WTO to agree on that. Setting an floor that expires sooner is likely a non-starter given concerns about things getting slurped up into AI mo…

> If one wants to try to set another floor, it involves every country in the WTO to agree on that. This is less of a tough sell than you think. In pretty much every IP-related trade negotiation, you can divide the world into two categories: * Ultra-rich countries that want to push through every insane IP idea they have (life+50, DMCA 1201, etc) onto as many other countries as possible * Everyone else Notably, the ult…

The US couldn't drop to the Berne floor... because it is a member of the WTO and restricted by TRIPS which has a floor of 50 years.

Going to anything less than 50 years would entail leaving the WTO and backing out of TRIPS. That in turn would be disastrous to the companies that work with information (music, movies, microcode (software), and ̶h̶i̶g̶h̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶p̶i̶z̶z̶a̶ ̶d̶e̶l̶i̶v̶e̶r̶y̶).

Want to do away with registration for punitive damages? Absolutely. On the other hand, want to make it so that anyone can wholesale copy my photographs and sell them for pennies after a few years? No.

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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A reasonable copyright term makes abandonware not a thing If copyright is hard stopped after 14 (or even 28) years, it doesn't matter whether the initial rightsholder dies or hates the world or refuses to do the legwork to make it accessible, they cannot stop anyone from distributing it anymore full stop. Abandonware is only a thing because of copyright. >A copyright holder shouldn't have exclusive control over which…

I was about to respond to your comment yesterday about closed protocols but this is a better article! > A copyright holder shouldn't have exclusive control over which media and stores sell their work. > This is the entire point of copyright. Not only is the entire point, it is the thing that matters most when discussing "piracy" productively. Putting aside "you wouldn't download a car" jokes side, infringement on tha…

>Putting aside "you wouldn't download a car" jokes side, infringement on that exclusive right is only possible by distributing the media.

I don't know if I go that far, since copyright is literally about the right of exclusive control over copies, and piracy is making a copy without authorization.

However, the advent of computers limited the "literalness" of that interpretation, and my understanding is that even without such consideration, many countries do not consider copying for personal use to be a breach of law. I am not in violation of copyright when copying a program from my hard drive to ram, and I think that would be true even if the proper owner of the copyright insisted otherwise.

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2026?

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Have you noticed how the abundance of fan fictions have completely killed famous book series? Me neither.

No, but I think it might happen if copyright lapsed in 14 years.

*28 years, unless you were not invested enough in your work to bother renewing it.
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