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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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amarant wrote: post #242
nephihaha wrote: post #162

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Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

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Post by hexbin010 »

amarant wrote: post #261
gxs wrote: post #252

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That’s sort of how all this type of policy is pushed through Convenience - what you’re describing is convenience It’s totally fine if you prioritize that over everything else, but my only thought here is that everyone should be crystal clear in what they are trading off for convenience It’s convenient for the government too, tk have a single identifier to thread a persons entire life We are, sadly, well beyond any ex…

Again,I struggle to think of how it'd be used gather any data not already available. Yes it's selling point is convenience. Convenience is good. In this particular case I disagree that there's a price in privacy. At least currently, and the way the Swedish electronic ID is implemented, I don't see it. With other variations there might be problems of course, though I'd worry more about someone messing up the security…

I struggle to see how it's a good thing for Sweden. I disagree convenience is a good thing.

We can all play "I struggle to see" and throw out weak arguments but it does not advance the topic

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Post by Gigablah »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #292
lazylizard wrote: post #289

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the singaporean "singpass" has been an amazing convenience. at this point its like why is any company still asking you to fill in personal particulars on forms? they should ask for access to singpass and you just authorize them. you apply to or for anything.. and they just give you the option of authorizing via singpass.. and you use your passkey-like singpass app to authorize it... and its done! you go to hospital a…

Doesn't this mean that it's not only your hospital that sees your medical records, but... everyone who would otherwise only need your name and telephone number? Or is there some way to restrict which party gets which data?

There’s data scoping per request:

https://docs.developer.singpass.gov.sg/docs/getting-started/...

https://docs.developer.singpass.gov.sg/docs/data-catalog-myi...

As part of the flow you’ll be shown the list of data that’s being requested.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by officerk »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #274
marginalx wrote: post #21

"With 5 million total downloads - the app has saved 3.7 million lost phones", this somehow doesn't add up for me, as this implies more than 74% of phones are stolen? Or this this govt lying to pad the numbers to make the app look like a sheep in wolves clothing.

People download it only when their phone is stolen.

They download it where? On a spare phone? How does that work?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by rramadass »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #155
rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

> I'm shocked India is currently run by a nationalist regime headed by the so called "butcher of Gujarat"[1], there isn't much that would shock me wrt to that lot's totalitarian tendencies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Narendra_Modi

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by rramadass »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #192
nephihaha wrote: post #162

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Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

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The last para of your comment is inflammatory, biased, agenda driven and totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion.

I note that you are posting under an anonymous id.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by SanjayMehta »

cheema33 wrote: post #319
SanjayMehta wrote: post #238

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This allegation was dismissed by the Supreme Court completely after years of investigation.

Is the Supreme Court completely impartial in India? Is so, then this is credible. At least in the US, the Supreme Court is anything but impartial. Judges typically vote along party lines.

Difficult to say. For one, they aren't appointed by the government in power, but have created their own "collegium" system where one batch of judges selects their own replacements.

They've also restricted the government's ability to change this system.

See the NJAC debacle for example.

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Post by SanjayMehta »

cheema33 wrote: post #324
SanjayMehta wrote: post #240

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I've been using it since it came out. It does its job. I was getting 5-6 scam calls per day, now down to maybe 1 in a month. It's just a wrapper around their website (for now). I think this app is harmless but I don't think it should be forced onto anyone.

> I think this app is harmless.. It may be today. And you have no way to know for sure. But there is also no way to know what the app will do down the road when a politician you do not trust is in control of it.

Agreed. But they already have massive tracking capabilities. I don't they are so stupid that they'd do this in such an obvious way: too much scrutiny.

CDOT's CMS system already exists in the background.

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