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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by asdff »

fao_ wrote: post #338
jascha_eng wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem really is that it is impossible to verify that the content someone uploads came from their mind and not a computer program. And at some point probably all content is at least influenced by AI. The real issue is also not that I used chatgpt to look up a synonym or asked a question before writing an article, the problem is when I copy paste the content and claim I wrote it.

> And at some point probably all content is at least influenced by AI. [citation needed] (I see absolutely no reason why that should be the case)

The issue is most things being derivative along with AI now representing an increasing share of "most things" from which to derive from.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by asdff »

visarga wrote: post #275
softwaredoug wrote: post #216

The other day I was researching with ChatGPT. * ChatGPT hallucinated an answer * ChatGPT put it in my memory, so it persisted between conversations * When asked for a citation, ChatGPT found 2 AI created articles to back itself up It took a while, but I eventually found human written documentation from the organization that created the technical thingy I was investigating. This happens A LOT for topics on the edge of…

Simple solution - run the same query on 3 different LLMs with different search integrations, if they concur chances of hallucination are low.

Or they've converged on the same bullshit

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by geldedus »

codyb wrote: post #324
shevy-java wrote: post #119

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

I've been using DuckDuckGo for the last... decade or so. And it still seems to return fairly relevant documentation towards the top. To be fair, that's most of what I use search for these days is " > >" then navigate to the documentation, double check the versions align with what I'm writing software in, read... move on. Sometimes I also search for "movie showtimes nyc" or for a specific venue or something. So maybe…

DuckDuckGo uses Bing search results.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by k_roy »

stinos wrote: post #143
k_roy wrote: post #5

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I don't agree it is 'almost worse' than the slop but it sure can be annoying . On one hand it seems even somewhat positive that some people developed a more critical attitude and question things they see, on the other hand they're not critical enough to realize their own criticism might be invalid. Plus I feel bad for all the resources (both human and machine) wasted on this. Like perfectly normal things being shown,…

My main exposure to this was just in a couple of online social communities.

1. AI happens 2. Every response (that are often memes in themselves), is complaining about the AI. Hell, some of them were clever in the way a brand new meme template was in 2015. 3. Memeing about the AI happens to the point where a few borderline freaking death threats start sneaking in. 4. Someone posts thoughtful original content, the whole place degrades into a “thank god it’s not AI” meme.

Or, let’s fragment our already tiny community into NO AI SLOP

I’ve seen this exact thing happen in three very niche communities.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by parliament32 »

kortilla wrote: post #196
eirini1 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree with this logic. It implies that people who use Google, Bing and a million other products made by US-based companies are supportive of the huge amount of attrocities commited or aided by the United States. Or other countries. It feels very odd to single out Russia's invasion of Ukraine but to minimize the Israeli genocide of palestinians in Gaza, the multiple unjust wars waged by the United States all o…

Google doesn’t censor those atrocities for the US government. That’s the key difference.

I have yet to see any kind of censorship when querying Yandex, do you have any examples?

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by autoexec »

graemep wrote: post #304
jwr wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why this particular stand? First, any stand is better than whataboutism and just sitting there doing nothing. Second, this stand results from my thoughts. It is my stand. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Third, in the history of the modern world there were very few black&white situations where there was one side which was clearly the aggressor. This is one of them.

> First, any stand is better than whataboutism and just sitting there doing nothing. I definitely disagree with this. There are many cases where you might take the wrong stand, especially where you do not have detailed knowledge of the issue you re taking a stand over.

It's still better to take a stand even when there is a risk of being wrong because there is always a risk of being wrong. Don't let fear of being wrong or not knowing everything (which is impossible) stop you from standing up for your beliefs. Instead, stand up for what you believe, but be open to having your mind changed. If new information comes to light which changes your position that's perfectly acceptable.

It's a lot easier to live with yourself when you act according to your best understanding of the situation than when you allow fear to paralyze you into inaction at a time when you should have done something.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by GaryBluto »

aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #109
GaryBluto wrote: post #20

Why use this when you can use the before: syntax on most search engines?

doesn't actually do anything anymore in Google or bing.

I use it frequently to find older websites to browse. Works relatively well for most search terms. If you want something from 2005 or before I find -inurl:https works well.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by vivzkestrel »

justinclift wrote: post #124
shevy-java wrote: post #119

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

Are you aware of Kagi (kagi.com)? With them, at least the AI stuff can be turned off. Membership is presently about 61k, and seems to be growing about 2k per month: https://kagi.com/stats

what if there was an open source search engine that contributors kept making better but it was a paid subscription tool?

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by softwaredoug »

visarga wrote: post #275
softwaredoug wrote: post #216

The other day I was researching with ChatGPT. * ChatGPT hallucinated an answer * ChatGPT put it in my memory, so it persisted between conversations * When asked for a citation, ChatGPT found 2 AI created articles to back itself up It took a while, but I eventually found human written documentation from the organization that created the technical thingy I was investigating. This happens A LOT for topics on the edge of…

Simple solution - run the same query on 3 different LLMs with different search integrations, if they concur chances of hallucination are low.

Ultimately, once I had a spidey sense something was wrong I double checked ChatGPT using Claude

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by tryauuum »

varjag wrote: post #320
tryauuum wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you clearly don't know anything about nebius They have a lot of hardware in e.g. Finland. I don't think they provide GPU access to the russian companies, feel free to correct me

We were talking search engines here, but interesting indeed! What's the name of Neibus CEO?

Arkady Volozh, obviously
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