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Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?
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Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?
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At 4 european universities i studied/taught this has never been the case. Most universities are used to run their infra, they ran their email servers way before google existed and they run big fleets of servers for thin clients. Afaik they still kept their own internal messaging as backup but it was still email servers hidden behind web gui. What happened was that the big tech came in and made everything for them fre…
There's a huge difference between running an email server and some additional servers for thin clients -- all traditional stuff -- versus running an entire private cloud that redundantly stores the many many petabytes for your 40,000-person university, and all the web servers for the office software. Keeping it secure, keeping it updated, and having a live failover site if there's a fire or flood in your main data ce…
Unis are more suited to do this than most corporations. For example at school i am at
1. They already self host many apps in production. Including their own complex homegrown app that manages the school. All of the students have 30 gigs of “network drive” for their virtual computer. That means lot of the infra is already there - including unified oauth/ldap.
2. There are already experts there teaching programming/devops. So these people can both administer and teach. I wouldn't underestimate inhouse capabilities.
3. It is quite easy to get grants for infrastructure modernization. These funds wouldn't be possible to use on paying third party services.
Overall I think its simply matter of costs and once googles/microsoft is not free they might not be the cheapest option anymore.
Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?
#343If a viable Office 365 alternative appears, it won't be a big top-down bureaucratic initiative from the government, or even the universities. It'll be a nimble EU-based startup company building a full office suite and making it available not just to government organizations via a "contact sales" link (you hear that, NextCloud and OpenDesk?), but via one-click deploy to AWS EU region, docker/k8s, and whatever EU-based cloud hosts exist, so you and your friends can test it out at home.
(If the EU never figures out how to allow nimble startups companies to exist, then forget about it)
Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?
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It would be like Russians traveling to America, but making no distinction between Canada and Mexico. Except that Russians don't do that. This is an entirely and purely American problem.
This analogy makes no sense.
This was not an analogy. It was an additional example to add to the parent's observation. As well as to dispute that it had anything to do with people from countries with big land mass.
Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?
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As a EU citizen that moved to a different EU country: Yes please! I constantly need a VPN as some services from my old country are geo-blocked. And when I forget to disable the VPN to my old country I can't visit certain sites from my current country. I need two phone numbers as some services require a phone number from the country they operate out of. I'm talking banking, classifieds, insurance, municipal. I can't u…
Why should countries allow foreign influence - the voting in the most important elections in the country, by foreign citizens who didn't integrate enough to even get their citizenship? Participating in local elections is often allowed.
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Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?
#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why should countries allow foreign influence - the voting in the most important elections in the country, by foreign citizens who didn't integrate enough to even get their citizenship? Participating in local elections is often allowed.
In the case of these two countries dual citizenship is not allowed. So for the rest of my life I will not be able to vote here. This isn’t about “not integrating enough”. If someone has been living and working in a country for a long time that should be enough to let them vote in national elections, regardless of what citizenship they have.
Personally I don't think
Not willing to change your citizenship is a sign of not integrating fully, in not being completely loyal to the country and to its citizens.
Imagine that both countries start a war between each other - who are you going to support? Whoever you choose does not matter, the fact remains that you would have to choose, legally speaking. Why should your current living country give the strongest possible leverage to an untegrated potential agent/supporter of the foreign country?
Highest privileges should be given to people who decided to be fully in, in both good and bad. You can't be allowed to only cherrypick the good stuff: "I want to vote, but I don't want to be drafted to be killed in a war".
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#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
Often the rule is that one gets the vote in local elections after living for some time, but only citizens can vote in national elections (Parlament, President). This makes sense. If you want to fully participate in a society, you should integrate and become a citizen.
I personally believe that voting should be based on residency, not citizenship. If you live in the country you can vote. If you don’t live in the country you can’t vote. Simple. No taxation without representation.
Even the USA has no problem taxing without representation.
Representation without obligation (e.g. to be drafted) is even wilder.
Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?
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> "Europe" is, unlike the US, not a single entity It really needs to be, though, that's kind of the crux of it. Federate or die off, it's time to get rid of old tribal thinking. We're all Europeans.
It's been tried a number of times. It has never worked out well.
Right now the USA is working hard to prevent it from happening.
Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?
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But if students learn some open-source software that doesn’t get used in private industry, will they be able to land a job that’s asking Autodesk et al. knowledge as a requirement?
It's not the job of a university to prepare you for the workplace. That's the job of the workplace. I'm sick of industry outsourcing their jobs to public institutions. It's the job of a university to teach cutting edge research
Sure, you can say that. But a good chunk of people will disagree with you. I went to one of the top schools, and it was fairly 30/70 between teaching “cutting edge research” and teaching “what’s being used in practice”. I think that was fair. During bachelors, hardly you’ll get cutting edge research cause you don’t have prerequisite knowledge.
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Would this procedure work with the certificates you need to use? https://enterpriseadmins.org/blog/lab-infrastructure/install...
Thanks for the tip, it might work if I can figure out where the certificate is stored on Windows because I am forced to go through an application first. The application I mentioned: https://www.certsign.ro/en/products/eidas-trust-services/pap... Also back on Windows the website I needed to access didn't work with Firefox so I had to resort to Chrome sadly but maybe I'll have better luck now. Thanks for pointing me in…
You're welcome. This article is from Microsoft itself and may help more: https://woshub.com/add-certificate-to-trusted-on-linux/
Vivaldi is a nice chromium-based browser that I use on Linux for sites that don't work on Firefox. The certutil commands for it are apparently these: https://labs.gwendragon.de/blog/Web/Browser/Vivaldi/linux-ad...