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Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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I am still puzzled by how you can be a human being in this world and not be impressed by people . The more we study AI, the more we discover one fundamental truth above an the others: people are really, really, really, really impressive. A human being still absolutely melts an LLM like a Salvador Dali clock if the challenge is to innovate. In the race between human potential and LLM potential it isn't even close. Not…

Yes people are amazing but they are also tedious, annoying, frustrating, unpredictable and undependable. Finding someone that will flow and synergize with you on a project is like winning the lottery. People love to talk the talk but when it’s time to walk the walk the reality and disappointment sets in. Work with enough people and this painful reality sets in very quickly. However I don’t want an agentic or “A.I.” o…

It's not my problem that it's still challenging to find and work with people. I'm saying that it's where all most valuable the rewards are to be had. Unless I was mistaken and the goal is to do what is easy ...

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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I would invite you to read the other comments on this post by people who have tried to use it for that, and found that it makes regular fundamental errors. Most of the time you're better off reading a few responses to a given question (on, say, Stack Overflow) and synthesizing your own understanding out of them, rather than taking one that an AI has synthesized for you.

Who is getting fundamental regular errors? I don’t get any.

Do you verify regularly against real documentation/outside sources/subject authorities/question the output? I do, and regularly get wrong information from premier LLMs. I still use it for information retrieval because interrogating large corpora of text and double checking key information can still be faster, but I'm not fully convinced it's long term beneficial for my intellect or knowledge retention.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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I am impressed by AI. I just don't want to use it. "Look at how realistic this extruded text looks from a distance!" is definitely an achievement. It just doesn't add to my life in any useful way.

>It just doesn't add to my life in any useful way. Most products don't add value into our lives imo. They are the means by which we get money flowing which is needed to keep the economy alive. Some might argue that they actually subtract from it hence the need for dopaminergic products. The question for the tech CEOs is how to make LLMs reliably dopaminergic in the way Instagram/Tik Tok and the like are.

I've come to be unimpressed by this "money flow" hypothesis to the economy. Kinda sounds like retarded bullshit an accountant monkey came up with.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would invite you to read the other comments on this post by people who have tried to use it for that, and found that it makes regular fundamental errors. Most of the time you're better off reading a few responses to a given question (on, say, Stack Overflow) and synthesizing your own understanding out of them, rather than taking one that an AI has synthesized for you.

Who is getting fundamental regular errors? I don’t get any.

I need a way to block specific people on HN.

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It’s partly that, but it’s also partly that the quality SUCKS. I’m frustrated with AI blogspam because it doesn’t in any way help me figure out whatever I’m researching. It’s such low quality. What I want and need is higher quality primary sources — in depth research, investigation, presented in an engaging way. Or with movies and shows, I want something genuine. With a genuine story that feels real, characters that…

The thing is, for us normal consumers AI only has downsides. AI blogspam is made to serve you ads and make you buy stuff. AI posts / comments on Reddit are made to make you buy stuff. AI videos are made to keep you engaged, and then serve you ads which at the end make you buy stuff. Soon ChatGPT will start to weave ads into their output because they'll need to make $.

> Soon ChatGPT will start to weave ads into their output because they'll need to make $.

you have no reason to believe this is not already the case.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes people are amazing but they are also tedious, annoying, frustrating, unpredictable and undependable. Finding someone that will flow and synergize with you on a project is like winning the lottery. People love to talk the talk but when it’s time to walk the walk the reality and disappointment sets in. Work with enough people and this painful reality sets in very quickly. However I don’t want an agentic or “A.I.” o…

It's not my problem that it's still challenging to find and work with people. I'm saying that it's where all most valuable the rewards are to be had. Unless I was mistaken and the goal is to do what is easy ...

>Unless I was mistaken and the goal is to do what is easy

I don't know about you but my goal is not to work hard. My goal is maximize results while minimizing effort. You know, work smarter not harder.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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This Microsoft response reminds me of the 2018 Blizzcon event, where the Diablo Immortal developer challenged the audience with "Do you guys not have phones?" when the audience asked if the game was coming to PC. Then - like now - it seemed that they couldn't understand that what they made was not what their customers wanted.

And yet Diablo Immortal made about a billion dollars, orders of magnitude more than the other Diablo games combined. Sound like they knew exactly what their customers wanted. https://mobilegamer.biz/three-years-after-a-fiery-launch-dia...

Google made billions by scamming the world with "free email" and a search engine that would "never display ads" or "censor content".

It was "exactly what customers wanted". Microsoft Windows is just as successful....financially speaking.

Now, if I could just get teenagers to pay more money for a magic digital rune, besides extracting all that juicy marketing data from their phone app... Because more money = better corporation.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, for us normal consumers AI only has downsides. AI blogspam is made to serve you ads and make you buy stuff. AI posts / comments on Reddit are made to make you buy stuff. AI videos are made to keep you engaged, and then serve you ads which at the end make you buy stuff. Soon ChatGPT will start to weave ads into their output because they'll need to make $.

> Soon ChatGPT will start to weave ads into their output because they'll need to make $. you have no reason to believe this is not already the case.

Sincerely, thanks for making this point. It may explain some subtle oddities I feel (cannot accurately reproduce them) I've observed using copilot in my daily workflow.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Insofar as "All ambiguity is resolved by practitioners at the sharp end of the system", a tool that resolves ambiguity higher up the org chart is going to be less impressive to those of us who resolve ambiguity day in and day out. What I mean to say, is that we know our way around the tools and this is why we're not impressed when somebody else uses AI to find their way around the tools.

There are some potential biases here. Of course it is unimpressive when someone does something familiar to you, that is subjective. That same thing could be framed as impressive, to someone else, such as the person who is now able to do the unfamiliar as if it is familiar. The other bias would be to assume that there aren’t unfamiliar things (you don’t know every tool every made, therefore you may potentially benefit…

> organizing messy desktop icons into semantic clusters

stunning stuff

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