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I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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I would love to love Mastodon, but discoverability was so incredibly difficult that I just gave up. I can find people and topics so much more easily on Bluesky. The starter packs are nice too. Does Mastodon have starter packs (lists of people to follow posting on a particular subject area, which ideally you could just click once and follow everyone)?

I have this impression too, I open Mastodon and the timeline usually doesn’t have many interesting things.

I don’t want to argue about the overall trend based on a single example, but Terence Tao’s substantial use of Mastodon for communication does change the picture a bit.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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human rights and sustainability also

That would be great but wasn’t the case. I‘m a „green“ guy and cycling advocate but we failed to get traction on the Fediverse.

I instantly had to think about a cyclist activist on Mastodon who was all over the news after he got killed by a car:

https://digitalcourage.social/@natenom

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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For real though. The moderation on this site is on point.

I actually think HN achieves the illusion of greatness via excessive moderation. It’s very easy for users to flag a topic from the front page and (IIRC) there are even automated downranks for threads that attract a lot of back and forth arguing. The result is a site with relatively measured debate but also a large chunk of missing debate. All that said I don’t have some genius idea about how to do it better so my cri…

I think that in general the plain linear format is bad for debate. You always end up with one or two - often barely on topic! - threads dominating, and everything else below gets barely any attention.

For submissions with lots of comments the majority of comments are all under the top comment, branching off into all kinds of places.

It only works when there is not a lot of participation, unless you count participation itself as the goal.

There is also the limit of usefulness of longer comments, a few paragraphs - not too little, but also not too much - and everything unstructured severely limits the quality of the information.

You have many layers but it is all pressed into the linear format. You usually have less than a handful of actually on topic posts that really add significantly to the OP submission, but you may also have a lot of great discussion that is adjacent. Now, it is hard to find those few great on-topic posts, and people who may have something interesting to say may not even do so when they see they are comment #200+ because they know they won't be read far down the list.

There is also no connection in time. Every single comment only gets a brief moment in space (the submission's comment space) and time (a few hours at most before nobody will ever see it again). You can't build something up over time, it's all quite superficial.

That is not HN specific, all comments sections are the same everywhere. I am disappointed by the lack of innovation in this space. It reminds me of how many everyday things are not improving, for example, bad public toilets. I see the same ones clogged again and again, and dirty and stinking. And yet, they never make any changes, and the new constructions all have the same problems. For example, why does cleaning them remain such a disgusting chore? They could just have better surfaces, a hose and a drain so that the cleaner or even a user can just use the hose to clean a stall or the entire room. I saw that in a sausage factory when I worked there while in school, hot water hoses you could use any- and everywhere, and indeed everything was very clean because everybody just used a hot water hose a lot.

I no longer believe in automatic improvements, and it has nothing to do with whatever system society uses. There is just a lot of inertia, things just continue and nobody really spends much effort to improve many easily improvable things. Part of it is not just starting something, it's also the (correct) expectation that even if you provide something better it will be shutdown, and it has nothing to do with price (cleaning and unclogging those toilets must add up over time, never mind that e.g. the big 10 theatre cinema owner should have the idea that maybe customers always having to go into stinking restrooms is bad for business long-term?).

Back to comment systems, we have TONS of comment systems, but they all do pretty much the same. I don't believe for a second that there is no other way and we have a global maximum. We have a local maximum, and we cannot seem to get out of it.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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mastodon.social is operated by the Mastodon gGmbH, the core body behind the project.

Correct, but there’s nothing special or privileged about it. The others aren’t knock-offs or imitations. They’re all peers.

They're not saying it is.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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Like the other poster said, there's nothing worth losing sleep over in the comments here. Some people trying to start flame wars about politics, and a guy who thinks it's funny to drop racial slurs. None of those is good (and they are all flagged to death which is good), but neither do they make this comment section some kind of cesspool that would show why one is correct to distance oneself from Mastodon.

Sometimes I really wonder what the crowd I interact with here on HN is really like. Are they true tech intellectuals, or are they people who wouldn't hesitate to hurl racial slurs if there wasn't the threat of being banned or flagged.

A couple of decades has taught me that there's no hard boundary between those two sets. The concept of "public intellectual" itself is a bit suspect, since it becomes just another form of celebrity and/or cult leader.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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I don't think that's what they were trying to imply there.

Unfortunately that's what they wrote? What other interpretation could there be?

a) They used 'Black' as opposed to 'black', which often is used specifically to mean a particular culture around african-americans specifically, not just a signifier of skin tone. b) The charitable interpretation is that they are Black and that they share 97% of their views.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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Somehow I doubt it is. People are capable of selecting phones, phone network providers, e-mail providers, Internet providers, but selecting a server for mastodon is too complicated? Don't buy it

> Don't buy it Not listening to users is when learning stops You are making bad analogies, instead compare AP to other social media networks and what users expect when signing up

> You are making bad analogies, instead compare AP to other social media networks and what users expect when signing up

I don't. I make these analogies, because they show that almost everyone is able to deal with the complexity of selecting a service provider.

I acknowledge that it is not their expected sign up flow, though, because they you can only expect what you already know.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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Didn't measure what complicated means, these are the words people who churned use Generally the first point is server selection. That's too complicated for most users

That’s actually why I never tried it. Server selection. Choice paralysis. Gave up.

how did you get internet access?

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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I would love to love Mastodon, but discoverability was so incredibly difficult that I just gave up. I can find people and topics so much more easily on Bluesky. The starter packs are nice too. Does Mastodon have starter packs (lists of people to follow posting on a particular subject area, which ideally you could just click once and follow everyone)?

Personally I've always built my follow list via manual snowball sampling, so Mastodon discoverability is almost exactly the same as on twitter, except without the useless suggestions that I have to ignore at the start.

There's really only one trick to it, search for a hashtag and use the people there to get the list started, then it's the usually check at who's posting interesting stuff and who they in turn are reposting to find potential follows.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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Here is the thing. None of that matters to me . The only thing that matters is the people I follow.

But we are not talking about you. Mastodon is not culturally or technologically meaningful. It had 2.5 million users few years ago, now there are 700,000 users and numbers go down.

There are over 324 comments about this leadership change, which at the time of counting was more than 23 of the other stories I see on the frontpage, so I'm not sure by which metric you say it's not culturally relevant.
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