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Deporting one person who is a US citizen or has legal status to be here is offensive and we shouldn’t tolerate it.
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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests
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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests
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But the sorts of ICE actions that are causing this controversy only have political support because the US immigration laws have been flouted for 30+ years. Regardless of what you or I think of it it’s the reality that lots of the electorate wants deportations and lots of them and that likely isn’t true in a world where the laws on the books were more strictly enforced in the past.
What political support? Is there evidence to back that claim? The most recent polls I've seen about this are Gallup's polls from July and they suggest that 62% of Americans disapprove of how Trump is handling immigration. This includes a majority of Dems and Independents. The trend is more and more people disapprove of Trump on this topic as time moves forward.
You missed the point: they were referring to the sentiment that lead to Trump’s election. Many of those voters , I would guess, feel that the way Trump is doing it is cruel and chaotic.
This obviously doesn’t imply that those who voted for Trump on this basis want to go back to the open border Biden days.
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Couldn't they just not log the license plates and only look for license plates on the list like stolen cars, stolen plates, amber alert etc? Why do they a need a list of all cars that the camera saw?
They don't just log license, they log everything about the car, dents, location of dents, type of wheels, stickers, etc. If you swap a license plate they would be able to tell the car. One local case I read about, the culprits used their own car with a stolen plate. They were able to identify the car based on the car's "fingerprints" dents, style, color, antenna, scratches etc.
That’s some cool tech!
Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests
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I agree with this. As a resident of a neighboring suburb to Redmond, I would have welcomed more automated cameras to cut down on street racing, package thefts, and car prowls. In fact I want all of the suburbs around me to implement this so that criminals can't just flee to another jurisdiction and escape justice.
> so that criminals can't just flee to another jurisdiction and escape justice. I think it's a fair deal so long as you can't escape to Utah/Idaho/Colorado when you realize the dystopia you've created isn't the kind of place you want to raise a family.
Are you serious? The people most pushing for this are precisely the ones trying to raise a family.
Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests
#345So I definitely agree it's a positive development that these cameras are being taken down because they're absolutely orwellian, but I really don't understand why "the line" is being drawn at immigration enforcement? Were people really okay with this until the point where they found out that illegal immigrants can be tracked by the surveillance state too?
Masked ICE thugs have been abducting citizens, and refusing their victims their due process. Stop acting like you're still ignorant about that.
> Stop acting like you're still ignorant about that.
We've asked you multiple times recently to not post in the flamewar style on HN. It's not what HN is for, and eventually we have to ban accounts that keep doing it.
Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests
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No. I'm calling them idiots for giving a bunch of 3rd graders piles of newspapers and matches and expecting the eventual end result to be anything other than a fire. This shit was wholly foreseeable but they flew right into the sun, not too close to it, right the fuck into it, because they just couldn't stop lusting after the idea of sending the jackboot after someone for a crime that amounts to petty deviance (I'd l…
This is just victim blaming people for assuming they lived in a polite society with safeguards for their rights at a higher level. People are allowed to leverage trust in society to make tradeoffs. Or should we ban all forms of delivery because it can be abused at the extremes of the system to mug the drivers? Should every single store have every product locked behind glass and armed guards to light up any shoplifter…
> You're acting like they should have known the President would take complete control of the government and all other branches should cede while a Gestapo was deployed against the populace.
People should know Germany was a republic before the Nazis took control.
Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests
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Is there a way to see where they are located? Or which cities are installing them? Hadn’t heard of them til this week
You can find them listed here. https://deflock.me/map#map=5/39.828300/-98.579500
They seem to be going up rapidly at the moment.
I live in a county where the county seat is I went to add them to Deflock, but their process requires an OSM account. I wasn’t able to do that on the side of the road, and haven’t gotten back to it yet.
Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests
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> Nobody likes them This seems like an unsupported assumption. Lots of people like them. Anyone who wants policing to be effective and cares about crime / public safety would like them to have the best tools.
> Anyone who wants policing to be effective and cares about crime / public safety would like them to have the best tools. This depends on what the “cost” is for this “safety,” no? "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
The public safety issue has been ignored and denied (and "defunded") to the point where measures like this now appear necessary.
Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests
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The example of Seattle Police dashcam and body camera footage may be interesting. When those things were relatively new, ten years ago or so, someone started filing daily public records requests for footage from all 911 dispatches (among other things). They wanted to build their own database of the theoretically public footage. The SPD complained that the overhead of redacting all that footage would be impossible. Ev…
ten years ago or so, someone started filing daily public records requests for footage from all 911 dispatches (among other things). I know someone who until very recently worked for a major city's police department. He said there were people who would request every video they could think of, and it was his team's job to scrub through the video and blur/block out faces of children and things like that. He said his tea…
If it's a major city, why isn't their FOIA team larger? Signed: A frequent requester.
Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests
#350The UK has their "blade runners" - maybe the US needs them, too.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ulez-cameras-van...