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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by hk1337 »

zmmmmm wrote: post #227

I know this is a tangent but honestly, this is why the Google decision to de-openify Android is insane even from Google's point of view. Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? You just paint a giant target on your back for the authoritarians to come after. If Apple had supported open iCloud alternatives for backup and other services from day one, it woudn't e…

This whole idea of conflating a closed system like Apple has created with authoritarianism is silly. If anything authoritarianism is the UK trying to force Apple to open up (so they exploit it to monitor their citizens).

Apple created a product, not just the iPhone but a whole ecosystem that’s supposed to help the user feel secure. There’s isn’t the only product out there and as long as they’re not preventing new competitors, everyone needs to back off.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by egorfine »

zmmmmm wrote: post #227

I know this is a tangent but honestly, this is why the Google decision to de-openify Android is insane even from Google's point of view. Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? You just paint a giant target on your back for the authoritarians to come after. If Apple had supported open iCloud alternatives for backup and other services from day one, it woudn't e…

> Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism

The gatekeepers.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by egorfine »

smsm42 wrote: post #139
thw_9a83c wrote: post #29

From the article: > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. I don't understand the core of this advice. So if you're in the UK and do all the above, can you suddenly get similar E2EE cloud storage from a different provider without a UK government-mandated backdoor?

It's not a backdoor per se. UK just banned using E2EE (at least for Apple users' data). I don't think though they can ban E2EE in general - like, if I upload a binary blob to a data store, how would they know whether it's encrypted or not? Short of banning all strong encryption completely (which even UK yet is not stupid enough to do) it's not possible to prevent. But they did not build a "backdoor" into encryption -…

> banning all strong encryption completely (which even UK yet is not stupid enough to do)

What we have in effect today (ban of E2EE, chat control) was laughably impossible to conceive just five years ago.

ttyl

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Post by aa-jv »

codexb wrote: post #28

Sounds more like people need to de-UK. It's going to be a problem with any company or technology.

People need to hold the UK government responsible for its crimes against humanity. Until the AUMF and similiar policies across the Wetsern hemisphere which resulted in the utterly reprehensible "War on Terror", are rescinded and the crimes committed under their enactment fully prosecuted, the authoritarianism will continue.

Remember, people, these are WAR CRIMINALS driving these policies forward. To expect this class of individuals to adhere to democratic, western values, is naive in the extreme.

The same people who have no problem with genociding a million people in the middle east enemy-state-de-jour are not going to give one fig of care to the local human rights violations that they are also getting away with.

The West has a war criminal problem. Until we solve that we cannot do a damn thing about our human rights problem.

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Post by chongli »

Atlas667 wrote: post #282
chongli wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? Powerful people don't think this way. They think they can leverage the authoritarian regime to their own advantage. They're biased to ignore risks and seek out opportunities. That's what got them to their position of success!

They ARE the authoritarian regime. This myth that capitalist perpetuate that the rich are not the government is the best lie out there. The rich are the government. They are the national interests, countries' industries' is their property.

They are until they aren’t. Look at the Russian regime. Even billionaires could find themselves on the outs. All that money and to live in fear of open windows.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by lylo »

bean469 wrote: post #322
lylo wrote: post #314

De-Appleing is very difficult if you have a family using iCloud Photos, music, drive etc. Looking at the list, perhaps moving documents off iCloud Drive (to where? Dropbox? That isn’t E2E is it?) and Notes is enough. Do I really care if my photos are E2E encrypted? Most of my photos are in Lightroom cloud so those are not anyway. I don’t use reminders or Freeform or voice memos, and I couldn’t care less about safari…

> De-Appleing is very difficult if you have a family using iCloud Photos, music, drive etc. Although this is just anecdata, I moved my senior parents from iCloud Photos to Immich recently and their response was something like: "Wow, the new Photos program on the iPad looks nice!" For them it works out fine, since their use-cases are checking out vacation photos by scrolling the timeline and also occasionally clicking…

Thanks. Looks good, although perhaps Ente has the edge with things like facial recognition (I know this is a big draw for family with Apple Photos)

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Post by ramon156 »

panja wrote: post #338
atlintots wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither are legitimate competitors to iCloud

In some instances, nextcloud is better than icloud

You're comparing on-demand-cloud with setup-your-own-server-and-configure-everything-yourself-cloud

Those are two different markets

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by swiftcoder »

mistercheph wrote: post #331
sethherr wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the fact that Apple is having to fight this fight is evidence of why they were right to make a secure walled garden. I don’t know of any other service I would recommend my mother use for securely backing up her phone. I think the UK is ultimately going to roll back this law. I don’t think this means that iCloud E2E is hostile to Apple or its users. I think Apple is going to win. The war isn’t won by telling p…

yeah guys, we don’t win by using free and open technologies, we win if we all buy {NAMECORP} devices, that’s true victory right there, backed by a real warranty, that’s what grandma wants

If you have a free and open technology that is sufficiently user-friendly that grandma isn't going to lose all her photos, I'm all ears
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