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Post by bpt3 »

hitarpetar wrote: post #336
bpt3 wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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God forbids I engage in bad faith arguments with trolls who put words in my mouth

Exactly what words did I put in your mouth?

This is your statement: "just to make this explicit, protecting civilians has never been the purpose of modern police forces. they were developed to put down rebellions/catch slaves/protect rich people's property"

That statement is incorrect, no matter what your definition of "modern police force" is. That's it. It's not complicated, despite your attempts to deflect from the invalidity of that statement.

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

nerdponx wrote: post #79
bryancoxwell wrote: post #8

Might be a good time to enable E2EE on your Ring cams if you haven’t already: https://ring.com/support/articles/7e3lk/using-video-end-to-e...

Consider not sending your doorbell footage to accompany that has no respect for user privacy, and is now actively partnering with a police surveillance company.

> now actively partnering with a police surveillance company

You can make this point stronger: Amazon is a police surveillance company (with Ring), just not primarily.

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #333
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #138

This is the logical conclusion to the state of irrational fear that Americans perpetually live in, that causes them to feel they need 24/7 surveillance of their homes, no matter the consequences.

Yup! I've had my car stolen and broken into in the past. So I have a rational fear the same thing could happen to my house, so I have a ring system. Out of respect for my neighbors, I'll go the E2EE pathway and make sure my camera isn't tilted towards the road, but I'm not going without cameras again.

Unfortunately the advent of the IP camera, or the Citizen app, and decreases in crime, have no correlation. It just makes one feel better, which is fine in the same way that smoking in public is fine.

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Post by drdaeman »

bryancoxwell wrote: post #8

Might be a good time to enable E2EE on your Ring cams if you haven’t already: https://ring.com/support/articles/7e3lk/using-video-end-to-e...

Is Ring camera encryption actually independently audited and known to be implemented correctly and provide all the desirable security properties?

Because when I reverse engineered my Tuya-based camera-equipped pet feeder, I've discovered that there was an encryption on the video stream, but they only encrypted I-frames and left P-frames unencrypted. Amazon is not Tuya, but IoT is IoT.

My point is, there are myriad of ways IoT vendor can boast "encryption" and "security" on the marketing materials, while the actual implementation could be flawed beyond redemption.

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Post by Arrowmaster »

mikkupikku wrote: post #30
Aachen wrote: post #14

These are mappable in OpenStreetMap with the tags surveillance:type=camera + camera:mount=doorbell Data query around the Netherlands shows about a hundred are mapped so far as specifically doorbell cameras: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2dQw (the tag does not yet seem established in the USA). There are also many thousands of cameras mapped that are either not doorbell-mounted, or simply not tagged to such detail. This…

Seems like a fairly impractical thing to map unless you're getting volunteers to walk up to and inspect people's front doors. I know there is an app for a sort of gamified version of this where people take tasks to verify street signs or even how many stories a building has, I used that app for a while, but doorbell mapping seems a lot leas casual.

A lot of doorbell cameras use infrared for night vision and motion detection. You could probably just drive down a street at night with a camera tuned to show infrared and they would all be bright beacons.

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Post by estimator7292 »

chronci739 wrote: post #340
Jupe wrote: post #158

So, rather than Big Brother being government-imposed monitoring paid for by all taxpayers, the concerned citizenry is flipping the bill for the devices, network connectivity and electricity. Fascinating.

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Post by muwtyhg »

olex wrote: post #38

And this is why my setup will be using Reolink cameras integrated locally via HomeAssistant and Frigate. Detection runs locally on cameras and/or in Frigate, HA manages events and UI, and the only way to access any of it remotely is via VPN, no "cloud" anything. If the authorities come knocking with a warrant, or frankly, even a nicely-worded sensible request, sure, have at it. But ain't nobody accessing the footage…

This won't matter when all of your neighbors have a Ring doorbell, you will still be recorded every time you leave your house. You are just making yourself more noticeable and disagreeable to the surveillance apparatus.

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Post by tptacek »

gigel82 wrote: post #329
tptacek wrote: post #318

However, AI-powered technology used by law enforcement has been proven to exacerbate racial biases. This is a little misleading. Flock is primarily an ALPR that can identify make/model/color/identifying-feature of vehicles. It's not facial recognition. It doesn't itself have a racial component. The modal "proactive" Flock intervention (as opposed to investigative searches after crimes) is to flag a moving vehicle as…

They're a lot more than "license plate readers", they're complete AI surveillance systems: https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Flock_License_Plate_Readers

They're license plate readers, make/model/identifying-feature databases, and search engines. I didn't say they were just "license plate readers".
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