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Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by ryanpers »

fpgeek wrote: post #321
bluthru wrote: post #320

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Fool me? What are you talking about? If I get a S3 or an iPhone 5 via AT&T, the cost will be the same over 2 years. So what you're really saying is, if I get an iPhone on contract, I'm getting more hardware for my dollar?

First, I'm saying that the number you cite is not the true cost of the phone because it does not include the subsidy that AT&T pays the manufacturer on your behalf. Second, I'm saying that the true cost of an iPhone is usually greater than they true cost of the typical Android phone they're matched up against. In AT&T's case the apparent cost of ownership looks the same because they pay larger subsidies to Apple than…

The subsidy rate is the same regardless of which phone you get on AT&T/vz. This means the logical course of action is to choose the phone that gives you the most backend subsidy amount, which happens to be the iPhones. Apple gets paid handsomely and a lot more than android makers. Therefore the best deal is an iPhone.

The argument you SHOULD have made is "tmobile lets you sign up without a contract at a discount without subsidy baked in".

Now, on a more "touchy feely" note, I owned 4 android phones (moto blur you sucked!), but they have all been crappy in comparison. Hardware build quality, software quality, general "polish" etc... My 4s has been better in every single way. Oh and my personal data on the phone more secure to boot! (iPhone's hardware encryption is VERY good) Life is too short to worry about saving $200 every 2 years, fuck that shit and go with the better device.

Being frugal is a fine trait, but it can be "cant see the forest for the trees". Don't pull the fucking poor card on me, I came from extremely modest background... And even when I was poor I knew the value in buying, well, VALUE.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by spitx »

LnxPrgr3 wrote: post #323
Maascamp wrote: post #114

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I don't think Apple gets a pass here. If they are forcing users onto their product it had better be competitive, no matter how hard it is. Microsoft got so such pass with WP7 and that was an entirely new OS/platform!

Anyone here actually used this version of Maps to find someplace yet? Not just to break it and point and laugh, but to actually use it? I can only see 3D maps as a gimmick, so I can't bring myself to care too much that it's broken. I'm slightly surprised that feature shipped in that state, but meh. What I care about: can it get me where I'm going? It's 2012 and I've still found nothing that can do that without occasi…

The Mayor of London has some tips

http://i.imgur.com/o44nv.jpg

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by dasil003 »

diggan wrote: post #279
jsnell wrote: post #269

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There is no way that it was a unilateral decision by either company. Clearly there was some offer (e.g. more money, dropping patent lawsuits against Android) that Google would have been happy with. Or some terms that Apple would have been happy with (e.g. lower cost, access to more API features). It's not either party's fault alone that they couldn't agree about the terms.

Don't forget that Apple and Google is currently playing in the same game, smartphones and tablets. Probably a strategic move by Apple.

Or it could have been a strategic move by Google knowing the work that needs to be done, and that getting up to speed on maps would take Apple years.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by white_devil »

Simucal wrote: post #210
white_devil wrote: post #206

"ZOMFG APPLE SUCKS!" There's a new huge undertaking of making a modern, competitive "Maps" product. Who'd have thought that when the first version ever is released, its data is not as accurate as a seven-year-old competitor's ? This is fucking ridiculous. Let's see how long it takes for Google to replace everything it has with vector graphics. You know, to get even with the iOS 6 Maps . Who's the incumbent in two yea…

I could be mistaken but I've read that Android has had vector based maps in its app for awhile.

The Maps app on my phone is still based on tiles. But you're right, there's a new version with vector graphics.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by Jarihd »

How can someone release a product like this !!!

What were the PM, team manager, technical architect, developers and QA doing !!! Didn't they observe this !!!

Is this a deliberate product release ???

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by speleding »

chmars wrote: post #156
shawnc wrote: post #133

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Does Apple have a Maps program on the Android devices? Are there other Maps programs available on the iOS devices? Saying Apple is 'forcing' users onto their product is a bit much.

As of today, I don't know of any Apple Maps alternatives in the iOS App Store. And switching a mobile platform is neither trivial nor a short-term perspective … I hope Google is busy worki on its own Maps app for iOS — for the time being, Google Maps in Mobile Safari has to do it for me.

just use maps.google.com in mobile safari, it works just as well as the old app.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by antirez »

I think Apple did the switch with bad timing, before having a good solution in place... but in the end maybe facing some real technological challenge can be good for them? Every time they have to do serious software / infrastructure stuff they seem to be weak, even with iMessage that is not exactly that super-hard thing to do, there are reliability problems. I hope that this map stuff will make Apple a bit more CS oriented, but not as much as Google is.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by prof_hobart »

vm wrote: post #258
cooldeal wrote: post #208

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>Microsoft got so such pass with WP7 and that was an entirely new OS/platform! Well, around tech circles, Apple and Google frequently get more free passes compared to Microsoft. And that's kind of funny because Nokia just put out a comparison with Apple and Google maps to cash in on this hoopla. http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/09/20/benchmarking-mobil...

I'm surprised by how poor this Nokia comparison is. Maybe it highlights the difference of that company vs Apple or Google. The post focuses on the reach of their maps by showing lots of numbers in a comparison. They would better demonstrate their point with side by side pictures, like the ones from OP of this thread. Personally, I wonder about the reach of this marketing angle. I take 2 international trips per year.…

Personally, I'd quite like it to work in places that I'm going to travel to as well.

I'm also in the same city for the vast majority of the year, but I already know how to get from home to work and back.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by Nicole060 »

philwelch wrote: post #332
underwater wrote: post #272

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I upgraded to iOS6 to get the turn-by-turn navigation. Now I discover that only iPhone 4S and 5 devices get voice guidance. There is no way I can get Google Maps back without jailbreaking my phone. The voice limitation appears to be simply planned obsolescence; Waze can handle it without issues. This is a slap in the face to someone who paid a lot of money to Apple for a current-generation phone a little over a year…

> There is no way I can get Google Maps back without jailbreaking my phone. You can't restore from a pre-upgrade backup?

If you didn't jailbreak beforehand and capture the SHSH blob, no, you can't. So for the vast majority of people who upgraded to iOS 6 there is no going back.

http://blog.iphone-dev.org/

That's the cost of being inside a walled garden. You don't even have the freedom to install previous firmwares on your device.

But since the browser is part of a firmware upgrade it would be a terrible idea anyway, a new security bug has been found on mobile safari recently, you don't want to stay on older fimrwares if you can help it. Google maps, or a secure browser ? Pick one.

Re: The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Post by aidos »

eddieplan9 wrote: post #229
ChuckMcM wrote: post #115

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You are probably correct. However if you look at Google's moves in the maps API with respect to charging money the simplest explanation is that Apple and Google could not come to terms on the price for access and so Apple went with 'plan B'. Given the pain Apple is causing Google in its patent assault I don't doubt for a minute that the senior management at Google would have any regrets about 'losing' the Apple map b…

It also reminded me of Apple cutting off Internet Explorer for Mac[1] and went with building Safari. See how that worked out for them (and all devices relying on WebKit). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_Mac

Keep in mind that Google maps are arguably the best in the world - IE for Mac was a pretty dreadful browser.
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