For those who may be interested: I’ve built a project called Guten Email Notification, based on Cloudflare Email Service. It provides a simple way to send notifications to yourself from NAS, homelab servers, or GitHub Actions. You can check it out here: https://github.com/gutenye/email-notification
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I would say if the political environment pre 1980s was still in existence that might be true. Today that would just mean the entire thing would unravel as it ate its own tail in the race to the bottom environment we are currently in.
Which political environment pre-1980s do you want to go back to? 1930s? 1850s? 1760s?
I don't think there has ever been a perfect time but I also think there has been an ever increasing weakness in the governments desire/ability to enforce regulation roughly since that time period.
I mean the reconstitution of AT&T was one of the IMO the biggest middle fingers to the public I've seen. It was broken up because it was a bad actor and now its back again as a worse than ever bad actor. That was kind my wake up call. I'm sure there is worse though that I don't remember because it was not tech related.
I could be wrong I'm not a huge politics person. Either way I don't think any response to me invalidates my opinion that the current government would not do a better job than cloudflare currently is.
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#343Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!
To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.
There are other services, but CloudFlare is too well known. They're close to monopoly in the DDoS protection business unfortunately. But we still have a choice and for long-term success we should be choosing other companies where possible.
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For example, recently certain big corp ask me to verify something. I clicked on the link in the E-Mail and it was suck on Cloudflare the click button over and over again. No matter how many times I clicked. Do I need to find another internet access now?
I would bet in the direction of this being a bug on big corp's side rather than Cloudflare's.
No, it's a common issue. A bit of traffic is always misclassified and one day you'll be the unlucky one. And there's nothing you can do about it beyond trying different device on a different network.
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#345Now we can expect Cloudflare to start blocking emails from smaller providers soon to "block spam'.
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I've run my own mail servers for many decades and have never had any deliverability issues. I've also never used bargain basement cloud VPS services with horrible reputations. The best way to ensure a good reputation is to obtain your own address space from a RIR. Barring that, you need to choose a provider with a decent reputation to delegate the space to you.
> obtain your own address space from a RIR How does one do that? And what are the costs involved?
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CDNs always existed IMHO. The world before cloudflare was just much more hidden. In general I find their take at the typical cloud business from a network perspective mostly refreshing. However, I guess they have become the major player now and certainly try to optimize the world towards their business model. IMHO it needs other enterprises entering the competition. Maybe it could be new more software defined mobile…
Oh I remember a time before CDNs and a big part of your startup fundraise was to build out your own setup inside a data center.
That's not what CDNs are for.
They exist for primarily two purposes: a) speed up video loading for end-users, and b) anonymize IP addresses and routes for businesses.
Cloudflare built a business around b). This doesn't save on hosting costs, only lowers some operational and legal risks.
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#348better off using your own mail server. Stalwart collaboration server makes this stupid simple. Although dealing with poorly configured mail servers and draconian mail server policies can become tedious.
If really concerned about deliverability of transactional or marketing email messages, then relay through one of the many bulk senders.
adding yet another cf product as a single point of failure is not good.
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#349> Today, we're excited to announce just that: the private beta of Email Sending, a new capability that allows you to send transactional emails directly from Cloudflare Workers. So many comments here assumed from the title they're offering a hosted email service, they aren't, they are announcing their own Sendgrid.
Relying on a single, US based company for this need is a bit dangerous.
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#350Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!
To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.
>" Google is in a perfect position to compete *but they don’t* [emphasis mine], so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something."
That is how it works LOL, just because someone only has the capacity to compete with a monopoly doesn't mean that the monopoly has competition.