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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by e-khadem »

logicchains wrote: post #188
tgma wrote: post #148

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The sanctions on the Mullah regime have prevented financing of more proxies. There is a direct correlation between loosening enforcement and lifting such sanctions and increased support for Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. It's preposterous to claim that they do not work.

>The sanctions on the Mullah regime have prevented financing of more proxies. Less funding of proxies just means Israel gets away with killing more civilians without consequence.

You might say that, but the proxies weren't so keen on saving their citizens' lives either. Bashar Assad killed 600'000 of his own citizens. Hamas uses hospitals and UN schools as their command centers. Hezbollah has underground tunnels under civilian infrastructure where their leaders hide. The Iranian government assists with and finances the bombing on Jewish people all over the world. I wouldn't start pointing fingers so soon.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by incone123 »

chabska wrote: post #221
adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

> Nobody should be expected to take that risk I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights…

Do you think North Korean leaders would be nicer to their people if there were no sanctions?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by huhtenberg »

bambax wrote: post #314
drstewart wrote: post #308

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Why is it interesting? I thought the common people aren't responsible for the actions of their government?

Where you get confused is with the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship.

Pray tell how people in the US can control specifics of its foreign policy.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by garbagewoman »

stavros wrote: post #199
pbiggar wrote: post #131

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It's the phrasing. You're using a fun and casual term for something awful. You are correct about the amount of sexual assault in American prison of course.

Hmm, I didn't get either a fun or a casual vibe from "pounding in the ass", I'm surprised you did.

You do seem pretty nonchalant about rape, though. Maybe think on that for a bit.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by Xelbair »

School-Cotton wrote: post #309
chabska wrote: post #221

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> Nobody should be expected to take that risk I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights…

> and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea No, I don't do this. I'm not in charge of the government. Who is "we" ?

'You' elect the government. Even if you didn't vote for ruling parties, majority did.

Also it seems to be a common thing in Europe to refer to other's country populace OR government as plural 'You'. From my small sample size of 3, Americans were always confused by this and thought they were personally attacked.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by garbagewoman »

fransje26 wrote: post #239
notjosh wrote: post #47

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your comment is helpful context, especially as a foreigner. but would you be able to edit the "pounding in the ass" phrase out in future when referring to prison? thank you <3

"pounding in the ass" is a cultural reference to the 1999 movie Office Space.

Its a description of rape, often of legally enslaved people.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by johncolanduoni »

toolis wrote: post #213
47282847 wrote: post #197

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And why do you feel capable to judge if somebody is OK with what their government is doing or not? It’s really that simple: you cannot, unless they explicitly state it.

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A theory of culpability for government actions that is broad enough to apply to North Korean citizens who will be summarily executed for even suggesting regime change (or shot in the back while trying to escape) is useless. At that point it’s basically geopolitical predestination.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by Xelbair »

bradlys wrote: post #244
chabska wrote: post #221

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> Nobody should be expected to take that risk I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights…

Who is "you"? The US government doesn't reflect the majority of Americans, at all. It reflects capital interests - which the majority of Americans are not. Majority of Americans are laborers.

it was voted in by majority, no matter what mental gymnastics you do.

People either voted, or decided that their vote was worthless enough.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by dvdkon »

constantcrying wrote: post #235
barrenko wrote: post #6

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The point is to get people in those contries to overthrow their leadership. And if your're someone sliding into nasty leadership / government situation you have to realize there will be a consequence to that and that the perception of the ruling party can never be separated from the perception of the people.

Telling people to throw their lives away to provoke a civil war is one of the nastiest rhetorical tricks you hear when people talk about oppressive regimes. In basically every case a bad government is preferable to the destruction, chaos and death a civil war brings. "Just overthrow your government" is ridiculous plea.

It worked pretty well for most east bloc countries. Granted, they had to wait until the Soviet Union was weak to break away, but couldn't sanctions be one of the tools to get there faster?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by seivan »

yekanchi wrote: post #167

the people are not fundamentally far from their government. this is true for U.S where they elected Donald Trump or Israel that elected Netanyahu. for Iranians it's the same. and it's ground truth. the sanctions actually are designed to push the people of Iran to change their mind and overthrow their gov. it's easier than starting a full-blown war against Iranian that will cause damage or kill U.S soldiers' lives. th…

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