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I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by baq »

mrheosuper wrote: post #278
baq wrote: post #124

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I don’t need polished and superior, I need to get work done. I want the OS to get out of the way, not slow me down with animations, stage managers and pretty docks. I don’t even need customization, I just need it to stop trying to outdo itself and fall over. I’d run kde or even gnome on my work MacBook if it let me without a second thought. PS just installed ios 26 and what is this ? If this low contrast blobby windo…

if you are power user, why bother with GUI at all ?

TUI is GUI with a focus on keyboard control. All the TUI apps people regularly use could be at least as good with a GUI, ssh and DX are the only good reasons for TUIs and ssh does X forwarding, too.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

jjice wrote: post #54
maverwa wrote: post #17

The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…

My personal machine is a Framework 13 AMD (first gen of AMD for them) and my work machine is a MB Pro M4. The Mac Book just keeps battery _forever_ while suspended, where as I've found the Framework (running Ubuntu 24) loses about 1% an hour while suspended. 1% per hour is acceptable for me, but the Mac Book's power to performance ration is just insane. I can't blame Framework, of course. Upstart laptop manufacturer…

I don’t think there’s much framework can do about this. The same happens with Windows on HP and Dell laptops, except windows tends to quickly enter hibernation (if it doesn’t somehow hang and burn up your bag).

We used to have better suspend before, when s3 was thing, on both Linux and windows. Maybe not as great as Macs, but way better than the current shitshow. Now I’m not saying pcs are great hardware, but I think this particular issue should be pinned on Microsoft, who tried to copy apple’s power nap, only doing it halfassedly as they usually do.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

Havoc wrote: post #258

Are people away from power sources that often? Don’t think I’ve thought about battery level on my work (windows) laptop once. Home, office, conference rooms - everything has usb C docks

Yeah this seems like a complete non-issue to me. A laptop doesn't need to run all day on battery; if you are working any length of time you're going to be near an AC outlet at some point.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by yangikan »

coldpie wrote: post #61
Aurornis wrote: post #12

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> The Mac Desktop is vastly inferior to the Linux world I have to use Mac, Linux, and Windows desktops in my work. They all have their pros and cons, but I can’t say I’d ever argue that the Mac desktop experience is vastly inferior to the Linux desktop experience. Edit: Getting a lot of downvotes but most of the comments are about someone’s highly customized Linux desktop compared to completely vanilla Mac desktop. I…

Man just give me a way to switch between only the two most recent windows using a keyboard shortcut (without requiring some janky 3rd party program). Windows-style alt-tab. It's not a big ask and would make the macOS experience go from "barely usable" to "perfectly fine."

Use contexts app.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by vladvasiliu »

zdragnar wrote: post #188
ndiddy wrote: post #165

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> On Windows/macOS it just works, on Linux you'll probably break secure boot with it. The way it works on my Windows laptop is it’ll stay in sleep overnight, then when I open the laptop in the morning it’ll wake up, then hibernate itself, then I have to wait for the computer to turn itself back on. Thankfully this feature can be turned off.

The way it works on mine is that I open it in the morning to find it powered off because it chose to force quit my running applications to apply updates.

That’s nice, at least it’s off. Mine usually hangs and ends up hot in the morning. I have to forcefully turn it off.

Luckily for me, I usually run Linux on this laptop which sleeps just fine.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by baq »

zhivota wrote: post #224
WillAdams wrote: post #156

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Does Command tab not do this? It brings up a list of applications in most recently to least recently used order, so two apps switched to/from will constantly switch places.

Not if the windows are both from the same program. Then it's a different keybind, CMD-~ which doesn't have the same priority order style as CMD-Tab. I get caught up on this constantly, to the point where I decided to stop using one Chrome window under my work profile, and one under my personal profile, just so I can have my personal browser under a different program so CMD-Tab works better.

I actually use Edge for personal stuff on my work MacBook for this exact reason. The workflow simply isn’t possible otherwise.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by vander_elst »

Honest question, how is it possible that Macs are so much better in terms of hardware? Context: I use a MacBook at work and a Lenovo with Linux at home and now I might need to change my personal laptop, but I struggle to find (hardware) reasons why not to buy a MacBook, a MacBook Air is actually cheaper than another laptops with similar specs. There's still the ideology of repairability and openness which still plays a big role for me, but from a hardware perspective I see a clear winner. How is it possible that no other manufacturer can come close to the apple offering? There are big players (Lenovo, Dell, HP etc...) that I would have thought they would have the capabilities for producing similar products, why do they lag so far behind?

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by aurareturn »

abhinavk wrote: post #244
aurareturn wrote: post #52

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You can buy an M4 Air for $799 on sale frequently.[0] Meanwhile, a similar spec'ed Framework with a slower AMD CPU/GPU is $1,517.00.[1] So the repairability angle just doesn't seem worth it. If the Air breaks, just buy a new one. Keep in mind that the M4 Air has a better display, significantly faster CPU, faster GPU, significantly more battery life, is fanless, better speakers, much better trackpad, and a thinner pro…

It is mostly valid for 16GB/256GB-SSD config and when you need performance in bursts. Consider sustained performance, more RAM, more storage, OS options etc and the value proposition changes. I have maintained it for years that the base model M-series Air is the best computer for normal people if they plan to keep it for years.

It likely still has better sustained performance. If you need more, then just go up to MBP.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by fooker »

maverwa wrote: post #17

The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…

This is also something that is ideally fixed in hardware. Suspend to RAM should take extremely low energy (about 10 milliwatts). Apple has this down to an art while other laptops have quite of bit of random power draw from motherboard components. A laptop battery should be able to power suspend to RAM for months.

It does not make any sense to write 32 or 64G data to secondary memory every time you close your laptop lid, that will accelerate the lifespan of most SSDs.

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