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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by cameldrv »

richrichardsson wrote: post #229
kgwgk wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not like you would expect any inconvenience from being rear-ended or anything so why would you care?

The point is "If you *have* to hit the brakes to avoid a collision in front of you". Obviously if you have a tailgating idiot behind and you can avoid the collision in front without forcing them to rear-end you, then you do that; but that's not always possible, and in that case the blame is then entirely on the person who hit you from the rear, and *not* on you for rear-ending someone.

Also even if you don’t want to get rear ended. You can at least do moderate braking and hit the debris at a slower speed. Humans make these sorts of split second tradeoffs all the time on the highway.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by eurleif »

pbasista wrote: post #63

Anecdotal: I am surprised how the basic Tesla autopilot often cannot even read the speed limit signs correctly. In perfect lighting conditions. It just misses a lot of them. And it does not understand the traffic rules enough to know when the speed limit ends. I know that the basic autopilot is a completely different system than the so-called FSD. But equipped with that experience from the basic autopilot, it does no…

In FSD, there's an annoying bug where Georgia minimum speed signs are misinterpreted as speed limit signs. It's because most states that do minimum speed signage combine it with the speed limit into a single sign, but Georgia has separate, freestanding minimum speed signs. Thankfully, recent versions of FSD don't immediately start slowing down anymore when a misinterpreted sign makes the car think that the speed limit on a highway is 40; but the sign comprehension bug has remained unresolved for years.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by enslavedrobot »

pavlov wrote: post #335
enslavedrobot wrote: post #328

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It is purely a regulatory problem. FSD is not available in Europe due to the slow pace of regulatory approval. For instance UNECE regulation 79 prevents FSD from using its full capacity to turn the steering wheel. It's a rat's nest of red tape.

How do EU regulations prevent my car from recognizing speed limit signs? The real problem is that Tesla sold this in Europe, but never put the slightest effort towards actually developing the localized ML model that could make it work. (Of course the hardware sucks too, but they could have done a much better job with it.)

The reason is because mobileye patented (US20080137908A1) it and won't let tesla use it.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by sidibe »

lazide wrote: post #31
iwontberude wrote: post #19

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Nah Morgan Stanley and Wedbush would know the gig is up, the fraud would no longer be maintainable without Elon.

Yup. The effect of the reality distortion field has weakened, but remains plenty strong enough for now.

The reality distortion field is at ATH. Tesla stock is nearing its high, which it had when it was growing quickly and very profitable. Now they are shrinking sales and margins and the stock is soaring again

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by pavlov »

enslavedrobot wrote: post #343
pavlov wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do EU regulations prevent my car from recognizing speed limit signs? The real problem is that Tesla sold this in Europe, but never put the slightest effort towards actually developing the localized ML model that could make it work. (Of course the hardware sucks too, but they could have done a much better job with it.)

The reason is because mobileye patented (US20080137908A1) it and won't let tesla use it.

If that's the case, why didn't Tesla just issue refunds to us customers in Europe?

If it's really due to a patent, that just makes it worse. Tesla has known all along that they can't deliver the product they sold.

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Post by aarond0623 »

guywithahat wrote: post #258
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #109

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The humans in the video spotted it far in advance. I think that any human watching the road could easily avoid that.

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These influencers are incentivized to not touch the wheel because then that ruins the goal of their video.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by aarond0623 »

Scarblac wrote: post #89
coreyh14444 wrote: post #7

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The debris is pretty close to the color of the road. Seems like a good case for radar/lidar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe it decided it was a harmless plastic bag or something.

I've made that mistake before and the "plastic bag" cut my brake lines. Now I try to avoid anything in the road that shouldn't be there.

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Post by lazide »

sidibe wrote: post #345
lazide wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. The effect of the reality distortion field has weakened, but remains plenty strong enough for now.

The reality distortion field is at ATH. Tesla stock is nearing its high, which it had when it was growing quickly and very profitable. Now they are shrinking sales and margins and the stock is soaring again

Eh, stock price is based on the hope that the reality distortion field will strengthen again and sales/margins will shoot up.

I guess it really does depend on which reality distortion field we’re talking about haha.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by jjav »

agildehaus wrote: post #30

A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that". I feel we'll be hearing a lot of that excuse.

> A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that".

The very same video demonstrates this is not true, since the human in the video sees the debris from far away and talks about it, as the self-driving Tesla continues obliviously towards it. Had that same human been driving, it would've been a non-issue to switch to the adjacent lane (completely empty).

But as you said, the friend loves Tesla. The fanboys will always have an excuse, even if the same video contradicts that.

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