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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by Havoc »

timr wrote: post #305
Havoc wrote: post #134

This has very strong "cruelty is the point" vibes. There are a fair bit of international flights in the 10-12 hour range. Add some time to pack, get to airport, baggage check, get through security & how the flight times line up and this seems calculated in a way that is precisely not doable. Never mind people not perpetually online and only seeing this a couple hours later Meanwhile there is to my knowledge no reason…

> This has very strong "cruelty is the point" vibes. Hanlon's razor. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Regardless of what you think about the wisdom of the policy itself, implementing it rapidly is...probably not the best decision. But it's also par for the course for this administration. It's not clear to me that this is an intended consequence of the policy change, or just M…

Unfortunately I think there is enough track record that the administration no longer has benefit of doubt from Hanlon's razor. e.g.

>“We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected,” he said. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains."

sauce: https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-v...

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by onlypassingthru »

ponector wrote: post #233
ffsm8 wrote: post #191

I'm not American, but with how many software engineers having gotten laid off over the last 4 years, reducing foreign workers competing for the same positions should be a given from the perspective of governing a nation. I'm surprised how divisive such a decision seems to be considering our current reality of a contracting industry (employment wise)

Why do you think they would not close the position in USA if immigrants are not an option anymore? If Indian developer cannot obtain a visa in Microsoft they will simply recruit the same person to the office in India.

If it's so easy to recruit for the Indian office, why go through the trouble of getting an H1-B in the first place?

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by timr »

Havoc wrote: post #341
timr wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This has very strong "cruelty is the point" vibes. Hanlon's razor. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Regardless of what you think about the wisdom of the policy itself, implementing it rapidly is...probably not the best decision. But it's also par for the course for this administration. It's not clear to me that this is an intended consequence of the policy change, or just M…

Unfortunately I think there is enough track record that the administration no longer has benefit of doubt from Hanlon's razor. e.g. >“We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected,” he said. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains." sauce: https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-v...

So basically, you don't know, and you're violating Hanlon's razor because you think its wrong this time.

The fact that this administration routinely implements policies of all types in this way suggests that rambunctious implementation is the default explanation for any particular outcome.

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Post by seadan83 »

Surac wrote: post #130

So USA demands its slaves to stay inside?

It's worse than that. Demanding that the job creators and company growers be taxed or stay out. If a team is half H1Bs, it is not because there were Americans waiting for those jobs. These are irreplaceable people (if they could be replaced to not deal with H1B nightmares, companies would readily do so). So, the big irony is these people are job creators.

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Post by Scoundreller »

timr wrote: post #337
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity How is this adequately explained by stupidity? Sincerely, I truly cannot imagine anyone in the US government is stupid enough to think "15 hours is enough time". This is like, 3rd grade levels of thought.

You're confusing facts with the opinions of others. Read the EO. There's literally nothing in the EO stating that pre-existing visa holders are subject to the new rules. Someone else is interpreting the EO , and you're assuming that their opinion is the correct interpretation.

> or stating that pre-existing visa holders are subject to the new rules

How are you interpreting "on entry"?

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Post by seadan83 »

foogazi wrote: post #48
brainless wrote: post #37

This is terrible lack of planning. I understand the need for the US to be strict about people entering the country. They have a right to choose but this is so mismanaged. There are so many active H-1B visa holders, now everyone is just anxious. The rules can start for new visa applications. For existing holders, there should be a time period where people can figure out if the employer is even able to pay. If this sta…

> This is terrible lack of planning. POSIWID This is what the system wants

TACO tuesday?

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by djohnston »

politician wrote: post #272
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem" has been sedition that has been let to spread and rot at our foundations for decades now, growing only stronger. There is absolute bedlam and insanity pushed to American voters, completely made up fictionalized reality, blasted out by Fox News and worse. People live in the most absurd hyperreal simulation, built entirely around hating governme…

Aren't the left the ones making the claim posed by your opening sentence these days? Could you clarify whether it's seditious only when one side is making that claim or is the seditiousness of the claim group-independent?

Of course he only thinks it’s seditious when it’s the wrong team. Of course democracy is broken because his team lost the election.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by Smeevy »

jmpman wrote: post #66

If the $100k fee was then designated for STEM scholarships for underserved students, this policy would be continued even by the democrats. If the justification of H1B is that the US does not produce enough engineers, let’s financially encourage the domestic supply.

Yeah. It would go to fund education. Sure. Funding education is totally on brand for modern conservatives.

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Post by yfw »

sega_sai wrote: post #317

I am so glad I left the States. It is horrible to live in a country where on a whim of a deranged leader your whole life can be upended. No country is perfect, but the way US now behaves towards people on visas is not tolerable. (And it was similar situation during COVID)

What country isnt descending into authoritarianism these days?

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Post by pinkmuffinere »

mperham wrote: post #283
xyzelement wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a Republican and an immigrant and there are millions of others. So perhaps it is more complicated than that.

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Surely the poster is allowed to be Republican and an immigrant? They didn't even say they voted for Trump. Eg, if they're fiscally conservative and strongly anti-abortion, they may find that they are best aligned with the Republican party, despite being an immigrant.
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