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Re: Man jailed for parole violations after refusing to decrypt his Tor node

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Saying this only because I'm probably speaking for a lot of people here, but: I have no idea what any of that means.

Kiwifarms is a forum for harassing people. Famously Near (the developer behind BSNES/Higan emulator) committed suicide in part due to the abuse he received from that forum. And people on kiwifarms celebrated his death. Only reason I know of it is from the thread at the time on HN.

Near admitted to being severely depressed and disillusioned about life years before the KF thread and harassment started. Near was also involved in several internet dramas long before the KF thread. It didn't help that they participated in these threads and admitted to things like self-gratification to shotacon content, etc.

KF is a horrible place, but saying that they bullied this person into suicide is an easy scapegoat and a long stretch. Near/Byuu did a lot, deliberately, to bring negative attention to themselves over the years. For someone deeply involved in the emulation scene, they certainly committed lots of the scene's cardinal sins -- dump hoarding and gloating about it in particular.

They also license trolled commercial users of competing emulators as a source of income... Threw temper tantrums about the existence of FPGA-based emulation because it wouldn't use their code...

You only get a thread on KF by behaving like a lolcow.

Re: Man jailed for parole violations after refusing to decrypt his Tor node

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The funny thing about rights is that you have them even if you've done other bad things. The thinking on display here ("the guy was a criminal anyway") is the primary slippery slope to tyranny that we have seen in the past 100 years. Seems like he was legally eligible to be arrested for a variety of reasons. The FBI is still not allowed to use fraudulent warrants to that end. The rule of law is no such thing unless i…

Help me understand where you're seeing the "fraud" here? The warrant I'm reading is off PACER. It was very definitely approved by a judge.

You're right, and you aren't the only one correct me on this.

I was responding to the implication that it's OK for him to be arrested regardless of how, because he did bad and criminal things. The premise of the article being false (i.e. the warrants are fine) wasn't mentioned in the post I responded to.

Re: Man jailed for parole violations after refusing to decrypt his Tor node

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That's par for the course in America

Law enforcement is the US is trained to use (often rapidly) increasing force to compel compliance. They are trained that this is the only way to keep themselves and partners safe.

I'd use "lobbied", "sponsored" or "encouraged" instead of "trained"

Re: Man jailed for parole violations after refusing to decrypt his Tor node

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As I understand it --- I haven't read deeply enough to confirm this, it's what I've pieced together from the Reddit thing --- the Tor stuff came long before any of this. What I gather is: 1. Back in 2014 this person committed a pretty grave computer offense, which was not at the time prosecuted. 2. Some time after that, he became a high-profile Tor relay operator. 3. Some time after that, he was asked to subvert thos…

If this is true then it sounds like the FBI targeted him specifically because they figured his previous crimes made for good leverage. It seems his mistake was not realizing that he was caught between a rock and a hard place. More colloquially he's in the FO stage after FA. It doesn't seem like anyone is morally in the right, but it also seems like the defendant here was in a legal grey area to begin with.

I mean, no, the defendant was definitely not in a legal grey area. You might think it's a moral grey area? But he broke into a data center facility and unplugged a bunch of servers, and brought a company down for a month in the process, out of spite. That's a pretty normal crime. He was lucky not to have been prosecuted, and his luck ran out.

Re: Man jailed for parole violations after refusing to decrypt his Tor node

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post #338

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As I understand it --- I haven't read deeply enough to confirm this, it's what I've pieced together from the Reddit thing --- the Tor stuff came long before any of this. What I gather is: 1. Back in 2014 this person committed a pretty grave computer offense, which was not at the time prosecuted. 2. Some time after that, he became a high-profile Tor relay operator. 3. Some time after that, he was asked to subvert thos…

If this is true then it sounds like the FBI targeted him specifically because they figured his previous crimes made for good leverage. It seems his mistake was not realizing that he was caught between a rock and a hard place. More colloquially he's in the FO stage after FA. It doesn't seem like anyone is morally in the right, but it also seems like the defendant here was in a legal grey area to begin with.

I don’t think willingly destroying your former employers property is a grey area. It is pretty cut and dry it is a crime. The feds used this as a wedge to get him out of the TOR game.

Re: Man jailed for parole violations after refusing to decrypt his Tor node

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So the post is really click bait and does not tell the whole story?

It’s a calculated appeal by a biased narrator (his wife) who knows how to exploit the anger and sympathies of a community that often doesn’t click links, read documents, or look for facts before passing judgment (Reddit)

I think that's why I enjoy using HN most of all. People generally dive into the article and don't make judgmental or charged comments, not mention then curious discussion to be found every day.

Re: Man jailed for parole violations after refusing to decrypt his Tor node

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You, you are an instance of the problem. For any given issue, subject, industry or niche there is always a you. And you are the enablers. Multiply by every equivalent idiot and niche and that's how you get the world in which some guy gets whacked for running a tor node. If not that it would be some other niche, maybe some guy importing gray market power equipment to the chagrin of the branded dealers would be getting…

> For any given issue, subject, industry or niche there is always a you. And you are the enablers. Multiply by every equivalent idiot and niche and that's how you get the world in which some guy gets whacked for running a tor node. I am not defending at all the actions of the FBI. The FBI/CIA/NSA are overzealous law enforcement serving the will of colonial capitalism. Their history of targeting whistleblowers, activi…

It's not as simple as good vs bad. Imagine if this discussion were framed in some far more gray context FBI vs EPA.

>I am not defending at all the actions of the FBI.

"I am not defending the EPA, the overzealous enforcement arm of regulatory capture, I am defending the FBI who work closely and collaboratively with many industries, including ours to benefit society as a whole"

Now, obviously that's not a serious opinion, but surely you see what I'm getting at.

>The problem is this exact mindset where we insist that everything is on one massive slippery slope and there's simply no way to differentiate from proper, needed regulation, and the boot of law enforcement being deployed to fuck with the working class at scale.

How exactly does one differentiate at the margin?

>We can tell the difference and it isn't difficult, it simply requires thinking which an unfortunate number of voters don't like doing.

Anything we give power to for good gets co-opted by interests that can't stand garner support on their own because such interests must find things that have good marketing and credibility to advance their causes under.

Furthermore, this failure mode is basically the story of our time. Tons of out institutions suffer from this sort of co-option by entrenched interests, big business interests, etc, etc.

>Reactionary movements have existed for every time the Government says don't do anything

And their existence can be used as a canary. I don't see a lot of people making complaining about or simping for the Office of weights and measure or state fire marshall's office. Those sort of functions aren't questionable so they don't have pushback arising out of basically nowhere and they don't need constant simpin to fight that pushback like micromanaging what people do with their cars after sale (EPA) and breaking encryption (FBI and friends) does

Now, obviously that's a bullshit statement, but surely you see the reflection.

The whole premise is flawed. We can't just pick "things" for government to enforce or do. That doesn't scale to a nation of 300+mil.

>there is ALWAYS reactionaries because there is ALWAYS a segment of the population that never matures past the age of ten.

I'd ask if you saw the irony in calling the reactionaries ten year olds immediately after thinking you can cherry pick which enforcement beurocracies are good(ish) and bad(ish) as if that's not too subjective of a task to be tractable, say nothing of the fact that they all influence each other, draw from the same talent pools at the higher levels, etc, etc.

Re: Man jailed for parole violations after refusing to decrypt his Tor node

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I mean... if someone walked into your house cause you only closed the screen door while running to the store quick you'd still call the cops cause there was someone breaking into your house lol.

Sure but I wouldn't expect that guy to get locked up on federal charges simply for being in the house without authorization.

Probably depends on the House.

I suppose if it's the White House the guy'd just get pardoned by the next president anyways.

Re: Man jailed for parole violations after refusing to decrypt his Tor node

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Why is that added, there's an agenda there. Why does "sobriety" matter in a computer crime? This is oppression and this (plus the other conditions) simple set up people like this for a fall.

Sobriety is a boilerplate parole term. Everybody gets it. If you don't want to comply, you don't accept parole, and you serve your sentence.

A fair few things are boilerplate and also complete bullshit in their conception, and thus far I haven’t been able to determine why this isn’t one of them.

(The only actual argument made in this subthread, as far as I can see, is impaired judgment. Which, maybe? But I’d want to see something other than vibes to weigh the risks of worse judgment against the additional recidivism, and my current intuition is that alcohol probably should make the list of risk factors but cannabis probably shouldn’t.)

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