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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes. It is…

whats actually going on with the mayoral race? is cuomo running as an independent against mamdani?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters. Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.

> that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red

This is nonsense outside Michigan. And to the extent this happened, I'd have to say pro-Palestinian voters in swing states casting with the guy who initiated the Muslim ban and recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital essentially communicated that they were fine throwing millions of people in the Middle East under the bus to satisfy their vanity.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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US sure likes israel... https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saar-urges-250-... 250 us legislators had to fly there (probably paid by the taxpayers) a few days ago. Sadly, looking at the US politics, whichever side you vote, israel wins.

I agree. That’s why I won’t vote unless someone NOT funded by AIPAC is on the ballot.

> I won’t vote unless someone NOT funded by AIPAC is on the ballot

Then you're electorally irrelevant. Particularly if your only civic (in)action is not voting.

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Israel needs to take a more precise approach to getting rid of Hamas.

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the most precise thing is getting somebody else into power who removes hamas via police means rather than leveling buildings.

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But the Palestians and Hamas are distinct. There are even Christian Palestinians who are of course, since Hamas is so fundamentally Islamist, not at all represented by the group. Palestinians who are not part of Hamas are third parties and when they are attacked, you can't tell them to ask Hamas to release hostages or do anything, because they have no more influence over Hamas than anybody else does.

Do Christian Palestinians live in the Gaza strip or somewhere else?

> Do Christian Palestinians live in the Gaza strip or somewhere else?

Would note that not all Muslim Palestinians support Hamas, and to the degree they say they do, I wouldn't morally equivocate their actions with those who actually commit the atrocities (or refuse to surrender hostages).

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes. It is…

Mossad have actually warned the Netanyahu government of this, saying U.S support for Israel is slipping away and now might be the best time to implement a two state solution, while it can still be as one sided as possible in favour of Israel. Netanyahu has chosen to ignore this.

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Voters can take a stand and refuse to vote for anyone complicit in this atrocity.

In the US, both parties were supportive in the last election. Not many choices.

> both parties were supportive in the last election. Not many choices.

Primaries.

The truth is that foreign policy rarely flips American elections. Particularly when we don't have our troops on the ground.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters. Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.

Wait what happened? Was it that people who typically vote blue voted against those who supported Israel? As a Muslim and staunch supporter of Palestine, I didn't think that many people turned red because of this, at least not enough to swing the election. Wayne County, which has Dearborn Michigan (the city with the largest population proportionally of Muslims), stayed blue. I figured if Dearborn couldn't tip the scales any which way then the issue was probably not something worth campaigning on in terms of demographics
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